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HALIFAX, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2025

Sixty-fifth General Assembly

First Session

1:00 P.M.

SPEAKER

Hon. Danielle Barkhouse

DEPUTY SPEAKERS

John White, Marco MacLeod, Tom Taggart

THE SPEAKER » : Pursuant to a resolution passed yesterday, we will open our sitting with a rendition of "O Canada." Today, we are honoured to have Seaside A Cappella join us to sing "O Canada." Once they are all in and standing, we will start the process.

We are in for a highly unusual treat. We don't believe this has ever happened before. I ask that all members and members of the gallery, if they are able, to rise and enjoy the wonderful music of Seaside A Cappella.

[Seaside A Cappella performed the national anthem.]

(Standing Ovation)

THE SPEAKER « » : You may be seated. I must say, you struck a chord in my heart downstairs, and I'm sure everyone's here today. Thank you so much. We appreciate you. (Applause)

Order. We'll begin the daily routine.

PRESENTING AND READING PETITIONS

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Cape Breton Centre-Whitney Pier.

KENDRA COOMBES « » : Speaker, I beg leave to table a petition, the operative clause reading:

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Whereas, not only has NSP broken Nova Scotians' trust with their response to the data breach, we have some of the highest electricity bills in the country while receiving unreliable service;

Therefore, we support the NDP's call for the Premier of Nova Scotia and Cabinet to take action to rein in Nova Scotia Power and make energy reliable, affordable, and green for Nova Scotians and allow for: free credit freezes, data breach class actions, extend credit monitoring.

There are 388 signatures, and I've affixed mine as per the Rules of the House.

THE SPEAKER « » : The petition is tabled.

The honourable member for Cape Breton Centre-Whitney Pier.

KENDRA COOMBES « » : Speaker, I beg leave to table a petition, the operative clause reading:

Whereas since the Houston government was elected Nova Scotians power bills have increased by more than $400 per year; and

Whereas the power company has applied for an eight per cent rate increase over two years, just months after their massive data breach saw the sensitive personal information of customers, including SIN numbers, compromised; and

Whereas the government needs to protect people's private information and help lower soaring power costs;

Therefore, We, the undersigned, call on the Nova Scotia Government to pass legislation that will lower people's power costs, and protect people's private information.

There are 134 signatures on this, and I have affixed mine, as per the Rules of the House.

THE SPEAKER « » : The petition is tabled.

The honourable member for Halifax Needham.

SUZY HANSEN « » : Speaker, I beg leave to table a petition, with the operative clause stating:

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Whereas since the Houston government was elected Nova Scotians power bills have increased by more than $400 per year; and

Whereas the power company has applied for an eight per cent increase over two years, just months after their massive data breach saw the sensitive personal information of customers, including SIN numbers, compromised; and

Whereas the government needs to protect people's private information and help lower soaring power costs;

Therefore, We, the undersigned, call on the Nova Scotia Government to pass legislation that will lower people's power costs, and protect people's private information.

There are a number of signatures here from the Halifax Needham constituents, and I have affixed my signature, as per the Rules of the House.

THE SPEAKER « » : The petition is tabled.

The honourable member for Fairview-Clayton Park.

LINA HAMID « » : Speaker, I beg leave to table a petition, the operative clause of which reads:

Whereas power rates have gone up 14 per cent in the last two years; and

Whereas 43% of Nova Scotian families live in energy poverty, paying more than 6% of their income on power bills; and

Whereas the government should prioritize regular Nova Scotians over corporate profits; and

We the undersigned call on the Nova Scotia Legislature to pass legislation that will lower energy bills, support made-in-Nova Scotia clean energy, and rein in Nova Scotia Power.

There are approximately 80 signatures on this petition from Fairview-Clayton Park, and I have affixed my signature to the petition as required by the Rules of the House.

THE SPEAKER « » : The petition is tabled.

PRESENTING REPORTS OF COMMITTEES

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TABLING REPORTS, REGULATIONS AND OTHER PAPERS

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Cumberland North.

ELIZABETH SMITH-MCCROSSIN « » : Speaker, I'd like to table a document pertaining to my member statement on nurse-patient ratios from the Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions.

THE SPEAKER « » : The paper is tabled.

STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS

GOVERNMENT NOTICES OF MOTION

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Minister of Health and Wellness.

RESOLUTION NO. 212

HON. MICHELLE THOMPSON « » : Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the adoption of the following resolution:

Whereas cancer is the leading cause of death from disease in children and adolescents in Canada; and

Whereas approximately 10,000 children are living with cancer in this country, and 1,500 more are diagnosed every year; and

Whereas September is National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month, a time to unite in support of children facing cancer and their families by raising awareness and sharing resources;

Therefore be it resolved that all members of this House recognize that continued investment in cancer care and research can advance prevention, detection, diagnosis, and treatment to improve the health and well-being of children affected by cancer.

Speaker, I request waiver of notice and passage without debate.

THE SPEAKER « » : There has been a request for waiver.

Is it agreed?

It is agreed.

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All those in favour? Contrary minded? Thank you.

The motion is carried.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

RESOLUTION NO. 213

HON. KENT SMITH « » : I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the adoption of the following resolution:

Whereas the rescue of a fishing vessel by the longliner Maid of Amsterdam, the Canadian Coast Guard, and other vessels on August 18, 2025, demonstrates the skill, courage, and dedication of all people involved; and

Whereas Nova Scotia's fish harvesters, through their commitment to safety training and preparedness, play a central role in protecting themselves and their crew; and

Whereas collaboration between rescuers and harvesters not only saves lives but also demonstrates confidence in the joint efforts of coastal communities;

Therefore be it resolved that all members of the House of Assembly recognize Captain Jimmie Atwood, Captain Noah Deveau, the Canadian Coast Guard, and Nova Scotia's fish harvesters for their ongoing commitment to safety and training and the vital benefits of those efforts to bring families and communities back home safely.

Speaker, I request waiver of notice and passage without debate.

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THE SPEAKER « » : There has been a request for waiver.

Is it agreed?

It is agreed.

All those in favour? Contrary minded? Thank you.

The motion is carried.

The honourable Minister of Opportunities and Social Development.

RESOLUTION NO. 214

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HON. SCOTT ARMSTRONG « » : Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the adoption of the following resolution:

Whereas the government is making historic investments in public and affordable housing and invested 10 times the budget of previous governments in the community housing sector; and

Whereas housing starts have more than doubled over the last two years; and

Whereas the public housing wait-list must be reduced, and people earning over $100,000 per year should not be in public housing;

Therefore be it resolved that members of this House should agree that no one earning over $100,000 should be living in public housing or affordable housing or using rent supplements.

Speaker, I request waiver of notice and passage without debate.

THE SPEAKER « » : There has been a request for waiver.

Is it agreed?

I hear several Noes.

The notice is tabled.

INTRODUCTION OF BILLS

Bill No. 141 - An Act Respecting Municipal Modernization. (Hon. John Lohr)

CLAUDIA CHENDER « » : Speaker, I beg leave to make an introduction in relation to my bill.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

CLAUDIA CHENDER « » : In the gallery today, we have Abbey Ferguson from the Halifax Sexual Health Centre - I would ask you to stand as I call your name - Katie Rennie, the co-Chair of Access Now Nova Scotia; Natasha Hines, the Chair of Wellness Within; and Julie Veinot, the executive director of South Shore Sexual Health. They are all here to support this bill.

I would ask all members join me in offering a warm welcome to the House. (Applause)

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THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome to the House. We hope you enjoy your time here.

Bill No. 142 - An Act to Amend Chapter 197 of the Revised Statutes (1989), the Health Services Insurance Act, to Make Reproductive Healthcare Free. (Claudia Chender)

Bill No. 143 - An Act Respecting Funding for the SolarHomes Program. (Hon. Derek Mombourquette)

HON. NOLAN YOUNG « » : Speaker, I beg leave to make a brief introduction before I introduce a bill.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

NOLAN YOUNG « » : In the gallery, we have Saeed El-Darahali, who is the WCB Chair. I'd like to thank him and his team for all the hard work that they put into this. (Applause)

Bill No. 144 - An Act to Amend Chapter 10 of the Acts of 1994-95, the Workers' Compensation Act. (Hon. Nolan Young)

Bill No. 145 - An Act to Enable Virtual Power Plants. (Hon. Iain Rankin)

Bill No. 146 - An Act to Amend Chapter 90 of the Acts of 1915, An Act to Incorporate Banook Canoe Club, Limited, and to Amend Chapter 285, Acts of 1903, entitled "An Act to Incorporate The Banook Canoe Club, Limited" (Hon. Timothy Halman)

ELIZABETH SMITH-MCCROSSIN « » : May I make an introduction pertaining to the bill?

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

ELIZABETH SMITH-MCCROSSIN « » : I'd like to welcome to our gallery today the family of Shavonne Lees. I'd like them to stand to give them a warm welcome. It's Sheila, Wesley and Katelyn Lees from Westville, Nova Scotia. (Applause)

Bill No. 147 - An Act Respecting Minimum Nurse-to-patient Ratios. (Elizabeth Smith-McCrossin)

Bill No. 148 - An Act to Strengthen Nova Scotia's Transmission Infrastructure. (Hon. Derek Mombourquette)

THE SPEAKER « » : Ordered that these bills be read a second time on a future day.

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STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Guysborough-Tracadie.

HON. GREG MORROW: Speaker, I beg leave to make an introduction before my statement.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

GREG MORROW: Speaker, joining us today in your gallery, I am honoured to introduce Marg Harpell from Bill & Stanley Oyster Farm in Guysborough-Tracadie. As well as being from Bill & Stanley Oyster Farm, Marg is a tireless community-minded volunteer.

Marg, please stand and receive the warm welcome of the House. (Applause)

THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome to the House. We hope you enjoy your time here.

The honourable member for Guysborough-Tracadie.

BILL & STANLEY OYSTERS: BLUENOSE OYSTERS LAUNCH - CONGRATS.

HON. GREG MORROW: Speaker, I rise today to recognize and congratulate the Bill & Stanley Oyster Farm, operating out of Whitehead and Wine Harbour, for their outstanding commitment to Nova Scotia's aquaculture industry and coastal communities.

This family-run operation has long demonstrated dedication to sustainable, high-quality oyster farming. Their latest achievement - the launch of Bluenose Oysters - is a proud milestone that celebrates Nova Scotia's marine heritage while showcasing the premium products our province has to offer.

This summer, they shared this new product onboard Bluenose II with the captain and his crew when they were anchored off Whitehead. By choosing to grow and market their oysters under a name that pays tribute to our iconic schooner, they've certainly lived up to being even more Nova Scotia loyal.

Marg Harpell and her team have been advocates for the farm and are dedicated to providing a sustainable industry in Guysborough-Tracadie.

Please join me in congratulating the Bill & Stanley Oyster Company on their commitment to being Nova Scotia loyal, and we wish them continued success in our area.

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THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Armdale.

ROD WILSON « » : Speaker, I beg leave to make an introduction.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

ROD WILSON « » : I'd like to welcome - and I ask you to stand as I introduce you - members of the Bayers Westwood Family Resource Centre here in Halifax. Joining us is Donna Sutton, Executive Director, and board members Penny West and Ann Griffin. (Applause)

THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome. We hope you enjoy your time here.

The honourable member for Halifax Armdale.

BAYERS WESTWOOD FAMILY RES. CTR: COMM. SERV. - THANKS

ROD WILSON « » : Bayers Westwood Family Resource Centre was founded in 1991. The centre is a cornerstone of our community, serving over 5,600 clients from across the city and elsewhere. Located at the heart of the area's largest public housing on McAlpine Avenue and proud of it, it provides critical support to families, seniors, and often many newcomers to our province: many people, many different cultures, and many languages.

Through the essential programs like Parent 'N Tot, Healthy Beginnings, Little Explorers, food, music, and much more, they provide invaluable service to support and welcome members of our community and beyond.

On behalf of members of the community and me, thank you for everything you do in supporting people who often need your help.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Sydney-Membertou.

HON. DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : Speaker, I beg leave to make an introduction before I give my member statement.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : In the gallery opposite, there are a number of Young Liberals who are here with us in attendance. I'd like to recognize them for being here: Tyler Hutchinson, who is our current president; Kate Dobbins; Liam David Mason; Paul Sujith; Colin Stevens; and Topaz Nnani - if you could rise and receive the warm welcome of the House. (Applause)

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THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome to the House. We hope you enjoy your time here.

The honourable member for Sydney-Membertou.

LIBERALS (N.S.): YOUTH REPRESENTATION - THANKS

HON. DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : Speaker, I rise in my place to recognize our attendees who are in the gallery today and Young Liberals right across the province who were with us during important conversations this weekend but represent communities right across the province.

These young leaders within our party not only represent our party but represent what is in the best interests of our province. They have important conversations about policy, and they give us a lot of direction on what's taking place in their communities.

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I rise in my place, as the current interim leader of the party, to give them my thanks and support the work that they do. The work that they do has been invaluable to us. This is the future of our party, Speaker. So I rise in my place to thank them, to thank all the young Liberals and all of the policy minds across Nova Scotia, who are developing new polices, who are advocating for the right things, regardless of political stripe. That is the future of our democracy, and we should all applaud them.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Dartmouth East.

HON. TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : Speaker, permission to make an introduction.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : Speaker, in your gallery, we have two extraordinary human beings who go above and beyond the call of duty to serve residents of Nova Scotia. They are great residents of Dartmouth. In fact, they are my neighbours. I would ask my colleagues to please welcome Jim and Debbie Lowther. Please stand and receive the warm welcome of the House of Assembly. (Applause)

THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome to the House. We hope you enjoy your time here.

The honourable member for Dartmouth East.

LOWTHER, JIM & DEBBIE: VETS CANADA - COMMEND

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HON. TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : Speaker, I rise today to recognize VETS Canada, an extraordinary organization that began in Halifax in 2010. Founded by veteran Jim Lowther and his wife, Debbie Lowther, this grassroots movement emerged when they saw too many veterans losing their homes, their families, and their sense of belonging. What began as a small team has grown into a registered non-profit charity with hundreds of dedicated volunteers across the country.

Through its outreach programs, VETS Canada identifies needs, promotes healing, and provides vital supports that restore dignity to those who have served. I am proud that in our constituency of Dartmouth East, they operate a drop-in support centre and a veterans' community pantry, offering a safe space, food, and essential assistance to local veterans. I ask all members of this House to join me in commending Jim and Debbie and their extraordinary team for their unwavering dedication to our veterans.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Sackville-Cobequid.

PAUL WOZNEY « » : Speaker, I beg leave to make an introduction related to my member statement.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

PAUL WOZNEY « » : With us today, we have a great Nova Scotian, a champion for her members and for workers across our province and for the delivery of quality public services to every Nova Scotian. I invite the House to welcome NSGEU President, Sandra Mullen, who is with us today. (Applause)

THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome to the House.

The honourable member for Sackville-Cobequid.

NSGEU: ARBITRATION AWARD - CONGRATS

PAUL WOZNEY « » : I rise to congratulate the Civil Service Division of the Nova Scotia Government Employees Union on their recent arbitration award. It has been 18 months since the NSGEU's last contract with the government expired. What followed was a demonstration of the union's steadfast solidarity in staring down a government whose recent efforts to erode job security for civil servants have sent chills into the workforce.

Even though the government legislated itself on precedent latitude in terminating public employees, the NSGEU did not relent in protecting job security language for its members. Not only did they protect these articles, but they also realized important wage increases, especially for entry-level hard-working members. For the vital services they provide, these workers are worth every penny invested. This arbitration award supports the delivery of quality services that all Nova Scotians can rely on.

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I ask that all attendants join me in congratulating the NSGEU on their patient fortitude and their well-deserved arbitration award.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable members for Timberlea-Prospect.

COADE, PETER: DEATH OF - TRIBUTE

HON. IAIN RANKIN « » : Today, I want to honour the memory of Peter Coade, a much-loved Maritimer and retired Halifax meteorologist, who passed away on May 3^rd at the age of 82.

Peter was well-known for his warmth, good humour, and a lifetime spent sharing his love of weather with viewers and listeners across the country. Peter's contributions to broadcasting and meteorology have been widely celebrated. His career was one of dedication and distinction, and his name is synonymous with trusted and cheerful weather updates for decades. He brought clarity and comfort through countless snowy mornings, rainy afternoons, and starry nights.

At the time of his retirement, Peter held the Guinness World Record for the longest career as a weather forecaster, a testament to his enduring dedication to his craft, though the record has since been surpassed. More than a meteorologist, Peter was a devoted family man. He adored his family and valued his friends like family. He had a deep love for animals and a passion for camping at RayPort Campground.

I ask the members of the House to join me as we remember Peter. Let us cherish the legacy he leaves behind, a legacy of warmth, humour and profound love for weather and the people he touched. Remember his words as he signed off his broadcasts: "Good night folks; clear skies ahead."

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Preston.

HON. TWILA GROSSE « » : Before I begin my statement I beg leave to make an introduction.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please do.

TWILA GROSSE « » : In the gallery I am honoured to introduce Tamara McKay, from Gateway Meat Market. Tamara, I would ask you to please rise and accept the warm welcome of the Legislature. (Applause)

THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome to the House, we hope you enjoy your time here.

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The honourable member for Preston.

GATEWAY MEAT MARKET: COMM. DEDICATION - RECOG.

HON. TWILA GROSSE « » : Speaker, I rise today to recognize Gateway Meat Market, a family-run grocery store owned by Jamey Selig with co-founder Tamara McKay, who now serves as Social Media and PR Manager.

Since opening in April 2008, Gateway has grown into one of Atlantic Canada's busiest meat departments. They avoid traditional advertising, relying instead on word of mouth and customer satisfaction. By buying in bulk and operating on a low profit margin they provide fresh, affordable groceries, an effort that is especially vital as food insecurity rises.

The recent major expansion means even more families can benefit from their great deals and community spirit. Seeing customers smile at checkout has always been their goal.

I ask all members of the Nova Scotia Legislature to please join me in recognizing Gateway Meat Market for their dedication to affordability, service and community.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Dartmouth North.

CASSIDY, CORTNEY: CREATIVE ARTIST - RECOG.

SUSAN LEBLANC « » : Speaker, with their work being recognized across Canada, the United States, and even in the U.K., Cortney Cassidy requires recognition that is long overdue. Cortney is a very talented artist from Dartmouth who recently completed their residency at the MacPhee Centre for Creative Learning. As a result of their time at MacPhee Centre they presented a painting exhibition entitled Fringe of a Mirror.

Cortney continues to inspire young and old, new and experienced creatives, not only through this recent residency at the MacPhee Centre, but also for their advocacy for the 2SLGBTQIA+ community in and out of their art. The work they have done guiding and teaching young creatives in Dartmouth is deeply valued.

I ask the House to join me in recognizing and applauding Cortney Cassidy for all their hard work and for continued support on their creative journey.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Cumberland North.

LEES, SHAVONNE: DEATH OF - TRIBUTE

ELIZABETH SMITH-MCCROSSIN « » : Speaker, I first met Sheila and Wesley Lees, after receiving an email from Sheila, asking for help following the devastating death of their daughter Shavonne. Shavonne was just 30 years old when she passed away from sepsis after waiting for hours in an emergency room. What could have been a preventable tragedy became the greatest loss a family can endure.

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From that first conversation it was clear to me that Sheila and Wesley and Katelyn and Austin were determined that their daughter's and sister's story would not end in silence. They have chosen to channel their grief into courage and advocacy in hopes that other families will be spared from experiencing what they have endured. They remind us that every statistic in our health care crisis is not just a number but a daughter, a son, a loved one and a family changed forever.

Sheila and Wesley's presence here is powerful reminder that the voices of families must be at the centre of how we respond as politicians. Speaker, today we remember Shavonne.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Sydney-Membertou.

HAREGUY, ASHLEY: DEATH OF - TRIBUTE

HON. DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : Speaker, I rise in my place to recognize a friend of mine and a friend to many at home who we lost in the last number of weeks, Ashley Hareguy from Sydney. Ashley was a Bachelor of Science graduate from 2013. She was a critical care nurse and she taught in the LPN program at NSCC and the Critical Care Nursing Program with the Department of Health and Wellness. She was also such an advocate for brain cancer. She led the Go Grey in May across our community, and I want to rise in my place to recognize her.

She was loved by many. The greatest title that she held was mom to her daughter Josie Rey. I rise in my place to recognize my friend, somebody whom everybody loved. She had a heart of gold and everybody misses her. I rise in my place to recognize my friend Ashley Hareguy.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Queens.

OLIVER, SEN. DONALD: DEATH OF - TRIBUTE

HON. KIM MASLAND « » : Speaker, I'd ask for a moment of silence after I'm finished my statement. On September 17^th, our country, province, and the County of Queens lost a true trailblazer and incredible man when Senator Donald Oliver passed away peacefully.

As the first Black man appointed to the Senate of Canada, he served with distinction for decades and was a constant champion of diversity, equity, justice, and human rights. His vision and leadership helped to establish the Black Cultural Centre for Nova Scotia, ensuring that the history and contributions of African Nova Scotians will be honoured for generations to come.

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I was honoured to know this wonderful man and blessed to call him a friend. His advocacy and leadership made a lasting impact, and I shall miss his advice and steady support. His remarkable life of service was truly inspirational and leaves an enduring legacy.

To his family, I extend my deepest condolences and heartfelt gratitude for sharing him with all of us. His work, his wisdom, and his friendship will continue to guide and inspire all of us for years to come.

THE SPEAKER « » : I ask that we all rise for a moment of silence.

[A moment of silence was observed.]

THE SPEAKER « » : You may be seated.

The honourable member for Fairview-Clayton Park.

SUDAN WAR: SUFFERING - ACKNOWLEDGE

LINA HAMID « » : Since April 2023, the Sudanese people have been enduring a brutal war with little to no relief. The scale of the suffering is immense, and I must speak candidly as a Sudanese-Canadian about Canada's role.

The contrast in how Canada has responded to other conflicts versus Sudan is stark. While we have rightly opened our doors and offered substantial and swift support to others fleeing horrendous wars, the same urgency has not been extended to the Sudanese people. Our own community here has faced immense barriers and unacceptable delays in trying to bring their loved ones to safety, leaving many of us to wonder why our families are not seen with the same compassion and priority.

We need our government to step up and show the same leadership and generosity that it has in other conflicts. This is not a political issue; it is a moral one. The lives of Sudanese civilians are not worth less than the lives of others. Let us not allow the people of Sudan to be forgotten. Keep eyes on Sudan.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Timberlea-Prospect.

BOYD, BRANDON: FILM WAVE THEORY - RECOG.

HON. IAIN RANKIN « » : Today I want to rise to recognize Brandon Boyd of Timberlea, who is an autistic filmmaker. His commitment to the art of filmmaking and his passion for advocacy have earned him notable recognition.

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In 2024, Brandon was honoured with the Joan Craig Trailblazer Award for his outstanding contributions. Additionally, in 2023, he won the Bell Aliant The Launch contest, receiving a grant of $10,000, which he used to create his remarkable film, Wave Theory. Wave Theory is a deeply emotional and inspiring film that explores the life of singer-songwriter Leona Burkey, a resident of Prospect, and a song she wrote for her autistic son Zach titled "Wave Theory."

The Autism Society of Nova Scotia hosted a special event at the Bus Stop Theatre to support the Autism Society's ongoing efforts for the viewing of Wave Theory and to celebrate creativity and resilience of individuals like Brandon Boyd.

I ask all members of this House to continue to elevate the voices and stories of the autistic community to fostering greater understanding and acceptance by supporting and recognizing the talents and contributions of Brandon Boyd and many others in all the autistic community.

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THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Yarmouth.

SARA CORNING SOC.: MEM. PARK OPENING - CONGRATS.

NICK HILTON « » : Speaker, I rise today to recognize the tremendous work of the Sara Corning Society, whose efforts are ensuring the remarkable story of Sara Corning continue to inspire future generations.

Sara's life reads like one of a legend. Born in 1872 in North Chegoggin, Yarmouth County, she trained as a nurse and joined the American Red Cross during the First World War. She returned home to assist in the devastation after the Halifax Explosion. In 1919, she journeyed overseas as part of the Near East Relief mission where she risked everything to rescue hundreds of orphaned children. For this, she was awarded Greece's Silver Cross medal.

This past Friday, the committee held the official opening of the Sara Corning Memorial Park at Chegoggin Cemetery. The society is now working towards their next goals of having Sara recognized on Nova Scotia Heritage Day and working to see her honoured on a Canadian stamp.

I ask all members of the Legislature to share the legacy of this remarkable Nova Scotian and thank the Sara Corning Society for their dedication to ensuring her story continues to live on.

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THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Cape Breton Centre-Whitney Pier.

BATTLE OF ATLANTIC COMMEM. CEREMONIES: REMEMBER - RECOG.

KENDRA COOMBES « » : Speaker, May 4, 2025, marked the commemoration in honour of the Battle of the Atlantic. I had the privilege to attend two commemorations that day.

The first was at Fort Petrie in Victoria, which was hosted by the RCSCC 70 New Waterford and Fort Petrie. The location was fitting as we looked out on the calm Atlantic Ocean knowing that 80 years ago, that ocean was a battlefield where many lost their lives.

I also had the privilege of attending a service at the Salvation Army and a candlelight vigil hosted by the Cape Breton Naval Veterans Association at the Ashby Legion. Both were poignant and provided a space for remembrance, respect, and honour.

Lest we forget.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Argyle.

PARTIC.: 40^TH JEUX RÉGIONAUX JEUX DE L'ACADIE - CONGRATS.

For forty years, les Jeux have brought together hundreds of young Acadians for a unique experience that combines sports, team spirit, heritage, and camaraderie.

This year, about 800 young athletes took part in sports like soccer, volleyball, badminton, track and field, as well as a music competition. To mark the 40^th anniversary of the Jeux de l'Acadie regional games, a culinary competition - right up my alley - was added to showcase our rich culinary heritage.

Par-en-Bas took home the overall banner, based on the results from the different events.

It was incredible to see the community come together to support and celebrate this tradition. On behalf of the members of this House I would like to congratulate the athletes and coaches and thank the many, many volunteers and supporters who made this event an amazing success.

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THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Chebucto.

TRULY TASTY: CURATED MAG. BEST RESTAURANT - CONGRATS.

KRISTA GALLAGHER « » : Speaker, since Truly Tasty was established in 2012, they have dedicated their time and effort to providing customers with fresh, authentic ramen. The very first ramen restaurant in the Maritimes, Truly Tasty brings a creative perspective to local cuisine, as they merge traditional ramen with local preference. From long hours simmering their soup base and using the best quality meat and vegetables, Truly Tasty is committed to providing a masterful meal. Using the machines and tools imported from Japan makes it a further authentic experience.

Please join me in thanking Truly Tasty for keeping Japanese tradition alive on Quinpool Road and congratulating them on being named one of 50 best restaurants in the province by Curated Food & Drink Magazine.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Hants East.

EAST HANTS MUN.: WALTON COMM. BOAT LAUNCH - CONGRATS.

JOHN A. MACDONALD: Speaker, I'm pleased to share that the Municipality of East Hants has opened a new boat launch in Walton. Located on Lorne Smith Road, this new water access point allows residents and visitors to launch motorized boats and enhances recreation opportunities in the area. This project was made possible through the Canada Community-Building Fund, and it represents a valuable investment in the community.

I invite all members to join me in celebrating this addition to Walton community and the continued support for outdoor recreation in East Hants.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Citadel-Sable Island.

AUTISM N.S.: SITE AMALGAMATION - CONGRATS.

LISA LACHANCE « » : The summer has been one of exciting changes for Autism Nova Scotia. After many years of having two separate locations in Halifax, on Spring Garden Road and in the Sun Tower, Autism Nova Scotia has moved to one central location on Joseph Howe Drive. Last Saturday they were able to host their housewarming event to invite the community to celebrate the space, meet their team, and explore their programs.

The new Joseph Howe location is also home to the brand new Smilezones for the QuickStart Nova Scotia family rooms and waiting area. These Smilezones are a project designed to transform plain and clinical spaces into waiting rooms and bright engaging environments. Change is not always easy, but Autism Nova Scotia has worked hard to ensure that this transition has been as smooth as possible for their community. We are excited to see them grow in their new space. On behalf of all members, I wish Autism Nova Scotia much success in their new home.

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THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Pictou Centre.

DUNN, HON. PAT: LIFELONG ACHIEV. & COMM. SUPPORT - RECOG.

DANNY MACGILLIVRAY: I rise in my place today to honour an individual well-known to most people in this House of Assembly, the Honourable Pat Dunn. (Applause)

A lifelong resident of Pictou County, born and raised in the Town of Trenton, Pat dedicated himself to a career in education, community development, and public service. He graduated from StFX with Degrees in Arts and Education, as well as a Master's Degree in Administration. Pat spent decades shaping the lives of young people as a teacher, vice-principal, and principal in local schools. His leadership earned him respect as a mentor who always placed his students first.

Beyond the classroom, Pat was a tireless community builder. His years as a coach in the community extended for the best part of four decades, shaping generations of young athletes, developing both their skills and their confidence. Elected as MLA for Pictou Centre, Pat served several terms and took on ministerial responsibilities, including Health Promotion and Protection; Communities, Culture, Tourism and Heritage; and African Nova Scotian Affairs.

In all aspects of Pat's busy, productive life, he is always supported 100 percent by his wife Patsy and six incredible children. Known for his approachable style and steady commitment, Pat Dunn leaves a legacy of integrity, service, and devotion to the people of Pictou County. I ask the members of this house to join me in appreciation of Pat Dunn's service to our community.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Dartmouth North.

KRISTENSEN, EMILY: PHOTOG. SKILLS - RECOG.

SUSAN LEBLANC « » : I rise today with a bit of a belated "welcome to the neighbourhood" to a newly transplanted North Dartmouthian, Emily Kristensen, or Em K for short. Em K is a poet and visual artist, who you may recognize as one of the faces of the successful campaign to unionize Java Blend Cafe with the Service Employees International Union.

While Em K may have left the service industry, she has been able to combine her creativity with her passion for the labour movement. In the past year, Em has stepped behind the camera to use her photography skills to document SEIU rallies for workers at the Bridge shelter and Out of the Cold.

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Through her event photography, Em has also focused her lens on the colourful moments of queer joy found at Pride events across the country, and even at the annual Dartmouth North Pride Party. As Em K documents her life through photography, I look forward to more captivating images of the Dartmouth North skyline. With a focus on presence over posing, each image reflects the energy, emotion, and atmosphere of the day. I would ask the House to join me in congratulating Em K on her contributions to workers' rights and to Nova Scotia's queer cultural tapestry.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Pictou West.

SCAMMELL, HELEN: BURSURY SUPPORT - RECOG.

MARCO MACLEOD « » : I rise today to recognize Helen Scammell, a retired teacher who recently celebrated her 90^th birthday. Helen is a quiet supporter of numerous projects and people in the community of Pictou.

Every year she awards four generous bursaries to graduates of Pictou Academy in memory of her father, Dr. Harold L. Scammell. Two of the bursaries are for students attending community college and two are for those attending university.

In addition, Helen has provided support to the renovation of the deCoste Performing Arts Centre and several beautification projects in Pictou West.

Many have benefited from Helen's generosity and commitment to making Pictou West a more vibrant place to live. Helen, thank you for not only your bursaries and donations but for your volunteer time with the garden club, your church, and the PAEF.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Needham.

OLIVER, SEN. DON: DEATH OF - TRIBUTE

SUZY HANSEN « » : Speaker, earlier this week, one of our kings has gone on to glory: The Honourable Donald H. Oliver. He was a lawyer, an educator, and a retired senator.

Senator Donald Oliver was the first Black man appointed to the Senate of Canada where he served with distinction for 23 years as a senator. Throughout these years, he championed issues of human rights, equity, diversity, and economic prosperity and empowerment. Senator Oliver was a man of integrity and was known for his commitment to creating opportunities for others - always trying to break down those barriers.

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Senator Oliver said that his greatest desire was to see a more tolerant Canada where the concept of equality is first and tolerance and acceptance are all part of the fabric of what it is to be Canada. Senator Oliver's contributions to public service, law, and equity in Canada are immeasurable.

Let us honour his legacy, one of possibility and progress and hope for the Black community and for all Canadians. His life stands as a testament that change is not only necessary but possible when guided by conviction and justice.

I would like to extend my condolences to his family, his close friends, and all who were touched by his extraordinary life of service.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Hants West.

PARKER, REV. GARNET WAYNE: DEATH OF - TRIBUTE

MELISSA SHEEHY-RICHARD « » : Speaker, after I finish my member's statement, I ask for a moment of silence.

I rise today to pay tribute to Reverend Garnet Wayne Parker, who passed away on July 7, 2025, at the age of 73.

Reverend Parker served faithfully as a Baptist minister across Nova Scotia, including Windsor Baptist Church, Three Mile Plains, Kempt United Baptist Church, and the Hants Shore Pastorate. Known for his deep compassion and quiet strength, he worked not only from the pulpit but in hospitals, seniors homes, and drive-in church services, and through community outreach. In 2012, he was awarded the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal for his unwavering commitment to community and service to others.

Reverend Parker was a beloved father, grandfather, pastor, and friend. His kindness, humour, and unwavering faith left a lasting mark on every life he touched.

I ask that all members join me in expressing our heartfelt condolences to Reverend Parker's family and friends.

THE SPEAKER « » : Please rise for a moment of silence.

[A moment of silence was observed.]

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Cape Breton Centre-Whitney Pier.

PAWS MART: 25 YRS. IN BUS. - CONGRATS.

KENDRA COOMBES « » : Speaker, on April 5, 2025, Paws Mart, also known as Aileen's Pets Without Vets, celebrated 20 years in operation. For two decades, the volunteer-based group has dedicated itself to helping animals in need, particularly those without veterinary care.

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To mark the 20^th anniversary, the Whitney Pier-based group brought the community together with facepainting, game stations, music, and prizes. They also raised $2,000 and brought much-needed attention to the number of pets without veterinary care.

Please join me in congratulating Aileen's Pets Without Vets on 20 years of service to the community.

THE SPEAKER « » : Order.

[2:00 p.m.]

ORDERS OF THE DAY

ORAL QUESTIONS PUT BY MEMBERS TO MINISTERS

THE SPEAKER « » : The time is now 2:00 p.m. We will finish at 2:50 p.m.

The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition.

PREM: BIRTH CONTROL INVEST. - IMPLEMENT

CLAUDIA CHENDER « » : Today I joined advocates outside of Province House urging this government to finally invest in birth control, saving us all valuable dollars. We all save.

In British Columbia, there is an estimated $90 in savings for every dollar spent on contraceptive support. Nova Scotians don't need explanations or excuses, they need results. They want the same health care support that women and gender-diverse people have in British Columbia, Manitoba, Prince Edward Island, and Yukon.

My question to the Premier is: When can Nova Scotians expect this government to cover the cost of birth control?

HON. TIM HOUSTON (The Premier) » : We believe all Nova Scotians should have access to all health care services they need at that time, including access to birth control. We know how important that is. There are a number of mechanisms already in the province through the Family Pharmacare Program. There's also a great number of Nova Scotians who have coverage through private insurance that covers birth control. We know that people on Income Assistance have access to free birth control as well.

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We are looking carefully at an arrangement with the federal government. We know that some provinces have signed into that deal. Many are saying, "Uh oh, we wish we didn't." We need to be very careful about these things and thoughtful and we'll continue to have those discussions with the federal government.

CLAUDIA CHENDER « » : Women in this province do not universally have coverage. For many women it's more expensive to sign-up for Pharmacare than it is to get birth control and they can't afford either. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

In this province the government covers the cost of medical and surgical abortions, advanced endometriosis care, and women who present in crowded emergency rooms with complications like ovarian cysts. Paying for surgeries and emergency services are more expensive than paying for contraception.

Will this government stop treating women's health care as an afterthought and make birth control free?

THE PREMIER « » : I absolutely do not accept that this government treats women's health care as an afterthought. That is completely inaccurate and more than a little bit over the top I'd say, Speaker.

We know there are gaps in the system and we'll continue to try to work to fill those gaps. We also know there's an incredible amount of work being done; there's more to be done for sure, but there is an incredible amount of work being done.

CLAUDIA CHENDER « » : Contraception is health care for women and gender-diverse people and they don't have access to it. There is an epidemic of gender-based violence in this province. All members of this House agree on that.

Women and gender-diverse people living in abusive relationships deserve support. Every Nova Scotian should be able to live with safety and dignity. Covering the cost of birth control removes financial barriers, allows bodily autonomy. These are the things that abusive partners use and abuse to maintain control. According to AccessNow, women in Canada who face intimate partner violence are two times as likely to experience an unwanted pregnancy.

In a province where gender-based violence is an epidemic, will the Premier take this step to help survivors?

THE PREMIER « » : We know that many people do have access but there are barriers to some, we do know that. We'll continue to work with the federal government to see what's available. We'll continue to look at options, as we do with health care in general. We'll continue to look for ways to support Nova Scotians overall, as we did of course with a $500 million tax cut which unfortunately the NDP voted against.

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We know there's a number of facets to supporting Nova Scotians and we'll continue to do that. I'm sure that every time we've advanced something the NDP will vote against it, as they always do. We'll keep moving forward, Speaker. We know there are gaps to fill.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Leader of the Liberal Party.

PREM.: SOLARHOMES PROG. ENDED - EXPLAIN

HON. DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : Speaker, in 2018 Nova Scotia launched the SolarHomes Program, a grant that helped thousands of families install solar panels, cut their power bills, and made our province a national leader in solar adoption. Earlier this

Earlier this year, without notice, the government shut the program down. At a time when power bills are soaring and we need to get off coal, Nova Scotians should be supported in making energy upgrades at home.

My question to the Premier « » : Will the Premier restore the SolarHomes rebate or will Nova Scotians continue to be denied by this government the chance to lower their power bills?

THE PREMIER « » : I think that the member is talking about a program that they started but then didn't continue or top up themselves. I know they had all kinds of initiatives around electric vehicles and things like that, but we know people are struggling in general. We know the power rates are tough for people. We will take the steps we can to protect against that.

We'll take other steps as well, as we continue to do. I am not too sure on that specific program, but we'll look for other initiatives to make sure we support Nova Scotians.

DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : This was the number one solar program in Canada that the government cut in the last year. A FOIPOP I received yesterday shows this program was working. Thousands of Nova Scotians were benefiting, and the department was preparing to celebrate its 10,000^th install, but when they put the budget request in, the funding was denied. Shortly after, the program was shut down, leaving hundreds of Nova Scotians without the rebate they were promised.

My question to the Premier is: Who pulled the plug on the program and why?

THE PREMIER « » : I can't speak to that program specifically, but what I can tell you is that we certainly didn't pull the plug on a minimum wage increase. We certainly didn't pull the plug on increased investments in rental subsidies. We certainly didn't pull the plug on generational investments in affordable housing. We certainly did not pull the plug on massive generational tax cuts for Nova Scotians.

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We will continue to plug in and move this province forward while they continue to block us every single step of the way.

DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : Yes, we blocked so much, we built the best solar program in the country.

Speaker, this Premier talks a lot about renewable projects that are years away, but SolarHomes was delivering results every day - lowering power bills. It was providing clean energy and hundreds and hundreds of jobs across this province. Despite a $1.2-billion deficit, the Premier says he refuses to rein in the spending. In this case, why did he cut this program?

THE PREMIER « » : I thought I heard the member describe something that they did as the best of something. I don't think there are a lot of Nova Scotians who think those were the best of years. We remember that government, and the very things that that member is complaining about are messes that they left us to fix, and we are fixing them. We will continue to fix them because Nova Scotians have a right to expect it. We remember what they did to health care. We remember what they did to rural communities around this province. They can break it; we'll fix it. They'll try to block it; we'll build it.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Leader of the Official Opposition.

CSDS: N.S. POWER BILLS AND DATA - PROTECT

CLAUDIA CHENDER « » : Nova Scotia Power hasn't been fixed, Speaker. Power bills have risen by $400 for the average family since this government was elected. Thousands of Nova Scotians have had their personal information stolen. They don't have the capacity to request a free credit freeze or to sue Nova Scotia Power for damages.

Last weekend, my colleagues and I were knocking on doorsteps, and we heard from hundreds of Nova Scotians who are deeply frustrated that Nova Scotia Power is not being held accountable.

After one of the province's largest data breaches, why won't this Premier give Nova Scotians the protections they need?

HON. JILL BALSER » : Speaker, this gives me the opportunity to be able to speak in my capacity as the Minister of Cyber Security and Digital Solutions. I just want to make sure that folks know that I am the second minister - there was one before me - but this is the first time a designated department is looking at cyber threats. The first time ever. To be able to say to Nova Scotians that we are looking at every possible way to make sure that their information online is protected, we are. We made sure to go out and speak to credit lenders and Nova Scotians because we know the impacts of that cyber breach.

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We want to make sure that Nova Scotians have the tools that they need, but we also have to make sure that we're engaging in a national conversation around cyber threats so that we can protect Nova Scotians the best way that we can.

CLAUDIA CHENDER « » : This department predated this breach, and it didn't protect Nova Scotians.

Let's recap. What we hear from experts and on the doorsteps is that people want a utility that works for Nova Scotians. They want to look at the structure of Nova Scotia Power. They want a low-income power rate so they know everyone can keep the lights on, an arrears management program so they're not in debt to NSP for the rest of their lives, and expanded efficiency supports, and they want bills they can actually afford to pay.

My question to the Premier is: Why won't this government listen to Nova Scotians, protect them from identity theft, and lower their power bills?

JILL BALSER « » : I think it's really important that we acknowledge that no one is immune to cyber threats. Yes, the government has seen a threat under the movement - and then also Nova Scotia Power being the most recent breach. No one is immune, but in the department, there are designated personnel who are making sure that Nova Scotians' information is protected in the best possible way.

We have to make sure that we're engaging with our provincial and territorial colleagues and our federal colleagues on what a national defence around cybersecurity can look like. We know as threat actors continue, we have to make sure that our defence is ready. That is what the team is doing over at Cyber Security and Digital Solutions - we're making sure that we have the tools for Nova Scotians to make sure that their information is protected.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Dartmouth North.

DOE: N.S. POWER SIN FILE ACCESS - DEFEND

SUSAN LEBLANC « » : When Shaun Purdy moved back to Halifax in 2021, he called Nova Scotia Power to set up an account. To his surprise, they asked him for his social insurance number and used it to find his old account from before he moved away. That means his social insurance number was on file for 18 years.

How is the government holding Nova Scotia Power accountable for having held on to that private, sensitive information for that long?

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HON. TREVOR BOUDREAU » : Certainly, with the cyber security threat, Nova Scotians have a right to be frustrated. My understanding is there are two investigations that are ongoing, one with the Energy Board and one with the federal Privacy Commissioner. We're very interested in what those two investigations are going to come out with, and we'll be watching those very carefully.

SUSAN LEBLANC « » : I thank the minister for that answer, but now, Sean Purdy's social insurance number may have been stolen in Nova Scotia Power's data breach. Tens of thousands of Nova Scotians like Sean are worrying about what personal information is out in the world and what price they will ultimately pay if their identity is stolen.

My question is: Will this government act now to ensure Nova Scotia Power gets rid of the social insurance numbers that they have already stored?

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Minister of Cyber Security and Digital Solutions.

JILL BALSER « » : We are a government of action, because there is a bill on the floor that is going to protect Nova Scotians and their SIN information. I also want to make sure that Nova Scotians know what other options are available to them. Threat alerts are also available for Nova Scotians, and they should make sure that they can follow all the steps to protect their own information online.

We are also engaged in conversations with industry to look at credit freezing, but recognizing that there is a lot of work that needs to . . . (Interruption)

THE SPEAKER « » : Order. I can understand some back and forth but keep your voices down when another member is speaking, please.

[2:15 p.m.]

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Armdale.

DHW - NEED A FAMILY PRACTICE REG.: DATA - RELEASE

ROD WILSON « » : Speaker, the interim CEO of the Nova Scotia Health Authority recently disclosed to the Health Committee here that there were 27,000 names on the Need a Family Practice Registry that required validation, and this would be completed by this October. The minister stated in here in the spring sitting that the number of unattached Nova Scotians per constituency could not be disclosed due to data validation.

My question is: Is this the sitting where the minister will finally disclose all the data and finally tell Nova Scotians in each of the 55 constituencies when they will get a family doctor?

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HON. MICHELLE THOMPSON « » : Certainly the validation work is a very high-touch process, making sure that we speak to Nova Scotians either by phone or we contact them via email to validate their information. We have done incredible work with Nova Scotia Health Authority to make sure that people are attached. There's a number of folks - I think 70,000 people have come off the list in the last number of months - incredible work. We continue to recruit. Our recruitment efforts were noticed in the Globe and Mail on the weekend to say how much success we have been having recruiting physicians, nurse practitioners, and others, not only from within Nova Scotia but from outside. We're very proud of the work that's happening in government and with Nova Scotia Health Authority, and we'll continue to enhance primary care.

ROD WILSON « » : This summer, I spoke to people who have been on the Need a Family Practice Registry for five years, four years with no understanding of when they may ever get a family doctor. Is it acceptable? I think not. It is unacceptable that Nova Scotians do not know where they are on the list and when they will have access to a family doctor.

After five years, will this minister tell the tens of thousands of Nova Scotians who remain on the Need a Family Practice Registry when they will have access to a family doctor and receive the care they need now?

MICHELLE THOMPSON « » : What's really important for folks to know is that that list is now a registry, which actually allows us to see how patients are moving through the system. It allows us to see who needs care immediately, who is seeking more services, and those who maybe are in a more stable state. We have done a number of things. If there's someone who has been on the list for a long period of time, we generally find that there has been a breakdown in communication. That individual should phone 811. They have access to unlimited virtual care, primary care in-person appointments if it's required. We have 30 medical students starting at Cape Breton University who are going to come and work in our province. Our recruitment efforts, our contract, all of these things are pulling levers that are helping us attach Nova Scotians to family practices across the province, and people in Nova Scotia should feel very encouraged.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Timberlea-Prospect.

ECC - NORTHERN PULP: CREDITOR PROT. - ACT

HON. IAIN RANKIN « » : My question is for the Minister of Environment and Climate Change. Nova Scotians are rightly concerned that Northern Pulp's creditor protection process could leave taxpayers and even pensioners at the back of the line while the company moves to pay back itself through its parent firm. B.C.'s Supreme Court has the ability to ring-fence liabilities, ensuring that cleanup costs are given super priority before any money flows back to its creditors. The minister has been quiet on whether or not he would apply for standing or file any submissions to the court process.

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My question is: Will the minister take action to explore all legal tools possible for the public interest to be upheld in this matter before shareholders from the parent company cash out?

HON. TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : Speaker, the member knows, as a former Environment Minister, that we serve as the regulator. I know that Pictou Landing First Nation and Nova Scotians want the mill site cleaned up. So do we. I know that everyone wants definitive information about the reclamation of the Northern Pulp Abercrombie site. The creditor protection process has to conclude first.

IAIN RANKIN « » : There is contamination here that the minister can apply because environmental obligations are not unsecured claims. Beyond the court process itself, the minister has regulatory tools that I'm sure he's aware of through ministerial orders to require remediation plans, which I understand have been submitted, and also to recover costs directly from the polluter. Yet, we have a contaminated mill site that is not being operated on and not going to be operated on in the future.

Will the minister commit to using every compliance and enforcement tool in this limited window, since he is not going to file, to make submissions to the court for ministerial orders or cost recoveries so that Northern Pulp, not taxpayers, are going to pay for that cleanup?

TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : Speaker, reclamation of the site will commence - will be triggered under the Environment Act - once closure details are finalized through the creditor protection process. We will update Nova Scotians on the reclamation plan for the site when that process is complete. We expect all companies in Nova Scotia to comply with the Nova Scotia Environment Act.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Needham.

GAD: HAPPIPAD - DEFEND

SUSY HANSEN: Speaker, while this government moves to take rights away from renters who board in someone else's home, they continue to tout a program that failed to help Nova Scotians do just that. Happipad was supposed to house 500 people but delivered only 60 leases. This government spent $22,500 per lease.

How can the minister responsible for housing call that a success?

HON. COLTON LEBLANC « » : On one hand, accused of doing too much - on the other hand, accused of not doing enough. When we formed government, our commitment to Nova Scotians was to address health care. We are addressing housing. We are in a much different situation, although there is a lot of work ahead of us on housing. All tools are on the table. We were not talking about homes during that time. It was completely new to Nova Scotians. We are now.

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You look at the cost per lease - much quicker than building new. Actually, it would probably be 15 to 30 times the cost of these leases. I encourage the member to ask the 60 Nova Scotians - plus the 400 outside the application - how they feel about Happipad and having their head on a pillow.

SUSY HANSEN: Home sharing is not new. I do not know. Maybe the young minister may not understand that that has been decades old. It is just - it is a fact. This calls on the ability to assess value for dollar. This government is moving to punish people who rely on boarding arrangements while defending a $1.3-million program that failed to expand those same options.

How can the minister stand by a housing program that did so little to house Nova Scotians?

COLTON LEBLANC « » : As a young and dedicated minister to housing, I will not shy away from our government's efforts to address the housing challenges in this province. Housing starts are up. Progress is being made. Vacancies are doubling right across this province. Our commitment to Nova Scotians stands strong, and I encourage the NDP to start supporting initiatives that do just that.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Chebucto.

DOA - DROUGHT: FRUIT GROWERS - HELP

KRISTA GALLAGHER « » : This summer's drought means Nova Scotia fruit growers expect this year's crop to be the worst in a decade. Most of these are family farms, and they are worried about making it to next year without support from this government. When will the minister listen to fruit growers who need help now?

HON. GREG MORROW: I certainly had the opportunity to listen to fruit growers with a visit to my friend from Kings West not very long ago, and a number of apple growers were there. I had a tour through the orchards to see the damage, and it is significant. It has been a very difficult time for our farmers, financially, emotionally, and mentally. It has been very difficult. What we are doing is that our staff is working with the individual associations, as well as the Nova Scotia Federation of Agriculture and individual farmers, to understand the full impact of what this drought season means going forward. It may take some time, but we are out there working with industry. If individual farmers have questions about business risk management programs or any other support the department can provide, I welcome them to reach out.

KRISTA GALLAGHER « » : I thank the minister for that sincere answer. This is a vital, mostly rural, local industry that has not gotten the support it needs from this Province. Previous programs aimed at helping have actually penalized growers who have taken out insurance. These hard-working fruit growers are doing everything they can just to get by.

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Why does this government keep making it harder for growers in this province?

GREG MORROW: We never want to make things harder for our farmers. We understand that there are challenges each and every day, on top of the weather events that we see, such as this past drought season.

I do find it interesting that, just two days ago, one of the members of the NDP criticized us for spending money, and now we're hearing about how we need to spend more money.

The fact of the matter is this: Each and every time that industry has asked, whether it's Hurricane Fiona, the polar vortex, wildfires, floods, the 2023 wet season - every time, this government has been there. We've been there with increases to our budget for the last three years. Each time, that party has voted against those increases, and they spoke out against additional appropriations.

My question to the Opposition: How are we supposed to help?

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Sackville-Cobequid.

EECD: SCHOOL VIOLENCE - ACT

PAUL WOZNEY « » : Speaker, last year the Auditor General found a 60 percent increase in school violence over the past seven years. Teachers, students, and families have been raising the alarm on this issue all along, yet the government ignored those warnings until the problem reached crisis levels.

How did school violence become so pervasive under this government's watch?

HON. BRENDAN MAGUIRE » : We actually did the exact opposite. We listened to the NSTU. We listened to teachers. We listened to staff. That's why we have a code of conduct. I want to thank everyone involved in the code of conduct. By all means, it's been a huge success.

PAUL WOZNEY « » : We all understand the minister says that the new code of conduct will make schools safer, but school staff have been clear for years that they feel unprepared and unsupported at school, without enough counsellors, psychologists, or specialists to deal with overwhelming caseloads that prevent school violence.

How does this government expect a mere policy change alone to stem the tide of epidemic school violence?

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BRENDAN MAGUIRE « » : It's not just words. It's action. If he doesn't want to take my word for it, he can reach to one of his friends, Peter Day, who's been on the radio saying how much of a success the code of conduct has been.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Cumberland North.

DHW - EMERG. DEPTS.: NURSE-TO-PATIENT RATIO - IMPLEMENT

ELIZABETH SMITH-MCCROSSIN « » : Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Wellness. Nova Scotians expect that when they enter an emergency room in crisis they will be cared for in a timely and safe manner, but sadly, we all know here that it is not always the case in our province today.

I first met Sheila and Wesley Lees after the devastating loss of their daughter, Shavonne, who died of sepsis after waiting for hours for care. Despite being triaged as a Level 1, she was one of several patients whom one nurse had to care for. If she had lived in British Columbia, for example, she would have been receiving one-to-one nursing because of where she was triaged.

My question to the minister is: Will she let us know if any work is being done here in Nova Scotia in her department to implement minimum nurse-to-patient ratios?

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HON. MICHELLE THOMPSON « » : In Nova Scotia, there are no minimum ratios for staffing. The staffing does depend on the acuity in a unit. Not only do we look at nursing, but we also look at other allied health care professionals that can work in that space.

In the emergency room there has been a big focus on the staffing model there. We've introduced physician assistants, as an example. We've introduced nurse practitioners. It's not just the numbers as well; it also matters around the competencies of the people who are working there. It also matters about the years of experience and ways in which we can look at the skill mix to make sure that we have the best number of people who are trained to be in these critical care areas on shift, as we move forward.

ELIZABETH SMITH-MCCROSSIN « » : I know this government is very capable of making some positive changes, and I want to give credit to the Minister of Seniors and Long-term Care who really pushed for 4.1 hours of care in long-term care. So, I know that this government is capable of making positive change when it comes to the minimum nurse-to-patient ratios. We can follow the lead of British Columbia - as well as Ontario are looking at this. The Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions are recommending this as well. We also know it will help to improve not only patient care, but also nurse workplace safety.

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My question to the minister is: Will she commit today to meeting with the family of Shavonne, and look at implementing nurse-to-patient ratios?

THE SPEAKER « » : Order. The Minister of Health and Wellness.

MICHELLE THOMPSON « » : I want to acknowledge that the Lees family is here today, and the advocacy that they have done has been commendable at the Nova Scotia Health Authority, not only around ratios, but also around sepsis care in the province. We actually are - as a province - the Nova Scotia Health Authority is country-leading in sepsis care as a result of families like theirs who have stepped forward to advocate on behalf of . . . (Inaudible)

I can't commit to ratios. We are working with nursing committees at both the Nova Scotia Health Authority and the IWK Health Centre, and very heavily involved with the Nova Scotia Nurses' Union in particular, to look at skill mix that is on units. I know that the president of the Nova Scotia Nurses' Union has been heavily involved in understanding by unit rate what our ratios are.

THE SPEAKER « » : Order.

The honourable member for Fairview-Clayton Park.

OSD: WAIT FOR CHILD AND YOUTH ADVOCATE - ADDRESS

LINA HAMID « » : Children and youth are some of our most vulnerable citizens. Recent accounts of abuse and preventable deaths make this fact painfully clear. We owe it to young people to do everything possible to prevent future tragedies. How much longer will the minister make our young people wait for a child and youth advocate?

HON. SCOTT ARMSTRONG « » : A reminder that it was our party that brought this forward and passed the legislation. Regulations are under way. I was briefed even as early as this week about the regulations that we're working on. The legislation will be proclaimed, and I'm hoping that very soon I'll have better news about a timeline.

We're working on this. We're going to get the job done. As minister, I am personally committed to be the minister that puts this forward. I want to thank the member opposite for her question. It's great to finally have her support for the creation of this much-needed position for Nova Scotia for our children.

LINA HAMID « » : To be clear, the NDP introduced this seven years ago. This government promised a child and youth advocate in 2021. Nova Scotians have been told countless times that it's coming soon, and they just have to be patient.

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Alec Stratford, the executive director of the Nova Scotia College of Social Workers has said that this office needs to be in place immediately. Why does the minister not think that child safety deserves urgent attention?

SCOTT ARMSTRONG « » : Of course child safety is paramount. It's one of the paramount concerns as minister that I task my staff with each and every day. It's our responsibility to make sure children have adequate protection and adequate supports. I can credit my department for doing that each and every day. We're working on this particular position. It's going to be a Nova Scotia-made solution for support of Nova Scotian children.

We also have the position of the ombudsman right now, that supports children, but this legislation is going to be proclaimed. Good news is coming. I just want the members of this Legislature to understand we're going to make sure this is done right for our children.

They are that important, Speaker.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Dartmouth North.

OSD: NATURAL SUPPORTS FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES - ADDRESS

SUSAN LEBLANC « » : The Department of Opportunities and Social Development has emphasized the importance of natural supports in the remedy that the government has agreed to, to address systemic discrimination against Nova Scotians with disabilities. That mostly means that family members will be providing necessary care.

However, many people supported by the remedy, due to age, disability, geographic isolation or lack of family, do not have access to these supports.

My question to the minister is: Will this government admit that relying on natural supports will leave many people behind?

HON. SCOTT ARMSTRONG « » : The courts made the ruling that we've had systemic discrimination in the way we were treating disabilities in Nova Scotia for generations. It is this government and this party that is rectifying that.

We are investing money: 130 percent more in support of disabilities, $130 million this year. We're going to leave no one with disabilities behind. We're working to have housing, we're working to have medical care.

The remedy will be implemented on time and, in support. I think that every family with people with disabilities - our commitment to you is we stand for you, we're there to support you and we're going to get the job done, Speaker.

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SUSAN LEBLANC « » : The conversation about the Province's human rights remedy has focused on residential services. There has been little clarity on how the remedy will impact adult day programs. Many people rely on these programs for peer connection, supported employment and daily structure. They've heard little from this government about how these vital services fit into the remedies implementation plan.

My question to the minister is: When will the minister prioritize these programs and implement a strategy around them?

SCOTT ARMSTRONG « » : Speaker, we have tremendous service providers working with people with disabilities across Nova Scotia, in day programs. One of the things we've done as part of the remedy is put forward the Service Evolution Fund - that's $1 million a year - to help them transition to make sure they meet the requirements of a court ordered remedy.

We're standing and working with these day programs. We have money to help them transition and we're going to be there to support them each and every day.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Needham.

GAD: RENT SUPP. THRESHOLD CONCERNS - EXPLAIN

SUZY HANSEN « » : Nova Scotia families are being denied rent supplements because their rent is too high. It seems counterintuitive to the point of the program. That's because the threshold the supplements are based on and are linked to are linked to rent prices that are outdated and out of touch with reality.

Speaker, why is this government denying Nova Scotian families the support they need to pay their rent?

HON. COLTON LEBLANC « » : At a time when perhaps other governments have been cutting supporting Nova Scotians we've actually increased our investment in rent supplements. We've quadrupled our investment to support more Nova Scotians. Last year 12,000 Nova Scotians benefitted from a rent supplement.

We know there's more work to do. We actually have priority for survivors of gender-based violence that we support as well. We will continue to be there.

We have put money on the table. We want to make sure that Nova Scotians know that we're not shying away from the challenges on housing. We'll continue to do just that.

SUZY HANSEN « » : How come with all of these things we have more folks struggling? Clearly something isn't working.

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All we're seeing is rising rents, increasing homelessness and families stretched beyond their means. The fact remains that the rent supplement program is only needed because this government has let housing costs balloon out of control.

My question is: When will this government take action to ensure Nova Scotians don't need to rely on flawed band-aid programs to afford their home?

COLTON LEBLANC « » : Certainly the safety and the security of Nova Scotians is of utmost priority, Speaker. I will again table for the members of this House our update on year two of our Action for Housing Plan. We are the first and the only government to actually have an action for housing plan.

Some of the initiatives under way should have been started years ago. It's deferred maintenance.

We know that Nova Scotians are facing significant challenges when it comes to affordability, when it comes to housing. That's why we are putting our money where our mouth is. That's why we are investing in investments like tax cuts, and again, all of these investments - all of these investments - are things that the NDP voted against.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Sydney-Membertou.

DOE: YAR. BUS. LEADERS' POWER GRID CONCERNS - ADDRESS

HON. DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : Speaker, I spent a lot of time this summer travelling around the province, and down in Yarmouth business leaders told me about one of the major concerns around the power grid through Annapolis, Digby, and Yarmouth counties. They still rely on outdated and undersized 69-kilovolt transmission lines.

My question to the Minister of Energy: What plan does the government have in place to help support these communities to get those much needed upgrades done to help grow the economy in those communities?

HON. TREVOR BOUDREAU « » : Speaker, this gives me an opportunity to talk about the new IESO and the role that they will play in identifying the needs of the system.

I had the pleasure of being down in the Digby area with my colleagues and having a conversation about the concerns and the opportunities that they see there in those counties. We want to make sure that we have those opportunities and that we reach those goals. That's what the idea of having the Independent Energy System Operator is: to look at the needs of Nova Scotians and to make sure we get those done.

DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : Speaker, this is an issue that I learned about when I was meeting with the Western Regional Enterprise Network, where they actually highlighted this. The lobster industry is a huge part of the economy in those communities. The industry needs as much power as it can get for the economy to grow down there, and they are almost at capacity when it comes to those old transmission lines.

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Our caucus wants to support industry, but we need the infrastructure that is necessary, and those upgrades are going to be necessary for economic growth in those communities.

My question to the Minister of Energy: Will the government - the minister - commit to supporting these businesses in Southwest Nova Scotia by ensuring that these upgrades are made?

TREVOR BOUDREAU « » : Thank you to the member opposite for the question, and it is an important question, because we want all regions of Nova Scotia to thrive, and we want all of our businesses to be successful. When we talk about developing our natural resources, we want to be growing, and we are very excited about the opportunities here in Nova Scotia.

Those same businesses had those conversations with me, and we talked about creative ways, but really, I am looking forward to what the IESO is going to do, and we are going to support them in making sure that we take care of Nova Scotians.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Sackville-Cobequid.

EECD: HIGH CHILD CARE FEES - EXPLAIN

PAUL WOZNEY « » : Speaker, families in Halifax are paying some of the highest child care fees in the country - over $22 per day for a preschooler - and that is more than double what parents pay in comparable cities like Winnipeg, Charlottetown, and St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador.

My question to the minister is: Why are parents in Halifax paying hundreds of dollars more each month than parents in comparable cities?

HON. BRENDAN MAGUIRE « » : Speaker, we are looking out for Nova Scotian families. We just re-signed the federal deal with the federal government, obviously, and we have reduced child care fees across the province by 50 percent.

PAUL WOZNEY « » : Speaker, and yet years after this deal was struck and has since been renewed, this government continues to fail in delivering child care that families can actually afford. Even though they promised $10-a-day child care and signed that agreement, parents in Halifax are paying more than twice that.

Why isn't this government taking urgent action to bring down child care fees and make life affordable for Nova Scotians?

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BRENDAN MAGUIRE « » : I am not a math teacher, but 7,363 spaces is not a failure. Speaker, 2,398 child care centres - not a failure; 1,924 family homes; 3,041 before- and after-school spaces - that's not a failure. He may call that a failure, but the Nova Scotians who use those programs do not.

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THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Halifax Citadel-Sable Island.

ECC: COAST AND PROTECTION TARGETS - COMMIT

LISA LACHANCE « » : This government is dangerously close to missing its own interim target to protect 15 percent of land and water by March of next year. That's in six months. Nova Scotians care about our coasts, our forests, and our parks, and they want to know their province will be preserved for our kids and grandkids. After abandoning the Coastal Protection Act, Nova Scotians are reasonably concerned that this government may abandon other environmental goals.

Will this government meet the 15 percent target outlined in the Canada-Nova Scotia Nature Agreement by March 2026?

HON. TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : We have made tremendous progress since forming government in 2021 on land and water conservation - with first protecting Owls Head. Then we went on to protect Archibald Lake. Currently, there's 13.7 percent of Nova Scotia land and water conserved; 13.1 percent is coastline that is preserved. We remain committed to that 15 percent target - to get to preserve 15 percent of land and water - by the end of 2026. We are a government committed to this. That's why we granted $20 million to the Nova Scotia Crown Share Land Legacy Trust to help preserve more land and water in Nova Scotia.

LISA LACHANCE « » : I'm just trying to follow along. The minister has said that there's 13.7 percent and the deadline by the end of 2026. I think our agreement is March 2026. The federal government gave our province $28.5 million to achieve this interim 15-percent target. We're running out of time. What's the plan for the remainder? The province hasn't even published a list of proposed lands and water for protection.

Will the minister tell Nova Scotians what his government has done with the $28.5 million of federal funding that has been given, given that we haven't met our target yet?

TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : Speaker, 13.7 percent of Nova Scotia is protected. We have a 20 percent target by 2030. We're well over half our way to protecting land and water in Nova Scotia.

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Nova Scotians care deeply about this. That is why, as minister, I continue to engage with key stakeholders like the Nature Conservancy of Canada. I continue to engage with the Nova Scotia Nature Trust. As a matter of fact, just this summer, the Minister of Natural Resources and I had a great time up at the Tantramar Marshes with Ducks Unlimited.

We remain committed to these goals. If Nova Scotians wish to have an area of land or water conserved, they can reach out to my department or the Department of Natural Resources, and together we'll work to achieve these targets for Nova Scotia.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Fairview-Clayton Park.

OSD: FIXED-TERM LEASE PROTECTION FOR RENTERS - ENSURE

LINA HAMID « » : Under this government's watch, homelessness has skyrocketed. In Halifax, it has doubled since this government was elected. In western Nova Scotia, it's nearly tripled. I'll table that.

Instead of bringing in real rent control and closing the fixed-term lease loophole, this government has made it easier to evict people. This government clearly has no plan for stopping Nova Scotians from being pushed into homelessness.

Why won't this government protect renters and ensure Nova Scotians can afford a safe place to live?

HON. SCOTT ARMSTRONG « » : This government has made unprecedented investments to expand our shelters and expand our supportive housing and other options for people who are homeless. We have reduced the number of encampments around Halifax, working with our partners in HRM. We have reduced the number of tents across the city. When you look around, it's easy to see. We're moving in the right direction.

All those investments - the NDP voted against them. We're getting the job done, working with our partners to reduce homelessness. We hope the Opposition will get on board and support those initiatives.

THE SPEAKER « » : Order, please. The time allotted for Oral Questions Put by Members to Ministers has expired.

We'll take a two-minute recess.

[2:50 p.m. The House recessed.]

[2:51 p.m. The House reconvened.]

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GOVERNMENT BUSINESS

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Government House Leader.

HON. BRENDAN MAGUIRE « » : Speaker, would you please call the Order of Business Public Bills and Orders.

PUBLIC BILLS AND ORDERS

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Government House Leader.

HON. BRENDAN MAGUIRE « » : Speaker, would you please call Public Bills for Second Reading.

PUBLIC BILLS FOR SECOND READING

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Government House Leader.

HON. BRENDAN MAGUIRE « » : Speaker, would you please call Bill No. 134.

Bill No. 134 - Justice Administration Amendment (Fall 2025) Act.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Attorney General and Minister of Justice.

HON. BECKY DRUHAN « » : I'm pleased to rise today to open debate on second reading in support of Bill No. 134, the Justice Administration Amendment (Fall 2025) Act.

I appreciate the incredible work of the staff who have contributed to this bill. I consider that there are some really important amendments here that will strengthen the justice system and serve Nova Scotians well. I look forward to debating the bill, and I'm hopeful for support from members on all sides of the House.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Fairview-Clayton Park.

LINA HAMID « » : I am pleased to rise today to speak to the Justice Administration Amendment (Fall 2025) Act. Much of this bill could be described as housekeeping, but we do have questions about some of these changes, starting with the civil forfeitures.

The biggest piece here is the introduction of the new Civil Forfeiture Act. This change replaces the framework from 2007 and introduces an administrative process for lower-value property. We understand the goal is to reduce civil court backlogs, and that's something that will help Nova Scotians. The reality is our court system is struggling. There are too many delays, and that means cases are being thrown out.

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We have a few questions about the current backlogs. Does the Justice Minister have an up-to-date estimate on the state of the backlogs as of today? How many of those cases are civil versus criminal? Does the minister have an updated estimate on how many cases are in danger of being tossed because of these limits?

The minister also needs to tell us how this bill will actually help address backlogs. Don't get me wrong, the principle of the changes to the Civil Forfeiture Act is important, but Nova Scotians deserve confidence that these changes will have a real impact on court backlogs. We will be watching to see if they do.

The bill also makes changes that remove the requirement of the Auditor General to review the annual revenue estimates. We've seen the letter from the Auditor General that's supportive of this change, and we think it's important to listen to her expertise. But it's striking that this government is so eager to take her advice now after just months ago trying to pass legislation that would have given them the power to fire her, and when this government continues to dismiss her advice to update the Finance Act and how out-of-budget spending decisions get made. Does respect for independent oversight only go so far for this government?

While much of this bill seems routine, the changes are still important and must be done very carefully. We look forward to hearing from Nova Scotians what they think when this bill goes to the Public Bills Committee.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Richmond.

HON. TREVOR BOUDREAU « » : Speaker, I beg leave to make an introduction.

In the West Gallery are two good friends of mine, Rolf and Elena Bouman. Rolf is a developer in the community in Richmond County and the whole region, but also owns Friends United. If you've never heard of it, it's a hidden gem in Richmond County. It's probably one of the largest First Nations Indigenous art galleries in all of the country, but it's more than that. It's a place of healing. It's a place of peace.

I know colleagues from across the aisle, as well as many of my colleagues here, have been there to visit, but I encourage all members here to drop into Richmond County and have a visit with Rolf at his spot. It's definitely worth the travel up to Cape Breton, absolutely. (Applause)

THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome. I hope you enjoy your time with us here today.

The honourable member for Northside-Westmount.

HON. FRED TILLEY » : Speaker, I beg leave to make an introduction.

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THE SPEAKER « » : Please go ahead.

FRED TILLEY « » : In the Speaker's Gallery, I'd like to welcome to the House my CA, Jo-Ann Horgan, who does an amazing job for the residents of Northside-Westmount, and also my beautiful wife Jean, who's here as well. (Applause)

THE SPEAKER « » : Welcome, ladies. I hope you enjoy your stay.

If I recognize the minister, it will be to close the debate on second reading of this bill.

The honourable Minister of Justice.

HON. BECKY DRUHAN « » : I appreciate the Opposition's support of this really important bill. I did want to comment very briefly.

One question that was raised was in relation to how changes to the civil forfeiture process would improve court proceedings. I noted that the member for Fairview-Clayton Park indicated that she was in support of measures that we can take around that. I just wanted to draw her attention to Part III, Clause 4, that sets out the provisions in relation to those civil forfeiture procedures and quite simply that they'll create an administrative process. In situations where there are uncontested actions, they can just proceed outside of the court process. Any contested action will go back into the courts as needed.

Speaker, with that, I rise to close second reading of Bill No. 134.

THE SPEAKER « » : The motion is for second reading of Bill No. 134.

All those in favour? Contrary minded? Thank you.

The motion is carried.

Ordered that the bill be referred to the Standing Committee on Public Bills.

The honourable Government House Leader.

HON. BRENDAN MAGUIRE « » : Speaker, would you please call Bill No. 137.

Bill No. 137 - Making Business Easier Act.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable Minister of the Environment and Climate Change.

HON. TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : I rise in my capacity as Minister of Service Efficiency to open debate of second reading for Bill No. 137.

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I just want to take a moment and thank a number of key individuals who were instrumental in the development of this significant piece of legislation, which will transform Nova Scotia over time. The greatest thing we can do for the next generation is to bring about good-paying jobs, bring about responsible resource development, and bring about clean renewable energy, and this bill is going to unburden Nova Scotia.

Think of this as cleaning out your room. Over the summer, I made all my four kids clean out their rooms, get rid of things that were redundant, duplicative, or did not make sense keeping anymore. This is what this bill does, all the while ensuring that we protect all that we cherish: our environment and our health.

This is a significant piece of legislation, and it signals our commitment to make it easier to do business in Nova Scotia and signals that our province is open for business.

Yesterday, when I did the technical briefing with the media, there were nine government departments there. This was a big lift on the part of our team, and I want to take this opportunity to thank the professionals at the Office of Service Efficiency, Environment and Climate Change, Natural Resources, Agriculture, Opportunities and Social Development, and Growth and Development - so many departments involved in this. I want to thank them for their great work. I look forward to the comments from members opposite, and certainly I look forward to the comments from the public at Public Bills.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Cape Breton Centre-Whitney Pier.

KENDRA COOMBES « » : Speaker, I rise to speak about Bill No. 137. The minister just hit on it; there is a lot to this bill, and there are a few areas of this bill I want to speak to. I do want to first point out, as the minister says, it is a big bill. It is an omnibus bill. Yet again, here we are with another omnibus bill that takes in several departments. This government really does seem intent on using these omnibus bills to amalgamate legislative changes - often, it seems, changes that do not belong in the same bill.

Nova Scotians want us to show up to work. They want us to show up to work for them. We should be doing that work. We should get the chance to review, absorb, and discuss legislative changes properly. That is our role as MLAs, and Nova Scotians deserve a government that does not rush through the changes because, as government understands, oftentimes, when we rush through our work or when the government side rushes through their work, there are unintended consequences. How many times has the government changed its own legislation because - oopsy daisy - there was a mistake or there was an unintended consequence.

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Proper oversight is needed. Sometimes, more faster just means more fast and we break things rather than actually fixing a problem that we are trying to solve. This government appears to want to limit that work. It appears that they do not want the added scrutiny. It appears they do not want the review by stakeholders. It appears they do not like to hear from Nova Scotians because we know that, most of the time, Nova Scotians - by the time they realize we have sat in the Legislature, we are done, because we do not sit long enough. We do not do the work long enough - not like the House of Commons and not like almost every other Legislature there is.

This bill makes changes to the mining approval process. Nova Scotians want to ensure mining is carried out safely and thoughtfully in our province. There have been too many tragedies in the mining sector because of improper oversight. Nova Scotians don't want their property rights infringed on. They don't want changes rushed through without consultation, as this government did earlier this year when they removed the longstanding uranium mining moratorium, as well as the moratorium on fracking, with no notice or consultation.

I've noted that with this pattern this government doesn't wish to have the scrutiny of their actions, or so it seems. The changes in this bill say it is streamlining mining projects, applications, by creating a one-window approach, as asked for by the Mining Association.

I have questions about what this means in relation to the findings of Westray and how those findings are honoured with the changes being made, if in fact they are being honoured.

My fear is that this could remove some clear checks and balances currently in place for the mining approval process. My concern is the bill will limit the ability of civil servants to thoroughly review mining projects. When the companies apply for the projects, they must submit reports to support their application. Under this law, it appears that civil servants could be compelled to accept these reports, paid for by the mining company. Of course, they have specific interests in the project going forward when they pay for the report.

You can see why checks and balances, Speaker, are very important. They are important to help ensure that projects are moving forward safely, that they protect workers, that they protect the properties and the people around those work sites.

As I said, there have been too many tragedies. There's also a concern in this bill about removing protections for wildlife habitat. Right now, when a piece of Crown land is found to be a significant wildlife habitat, it can't be sold without approval by Cabinet. It isn't clear to me why the government would make it easier to sell off important, ecologically significant land.

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Speaker, Nova Scotians love their province. As a Cape Bretoner, I must say that in Cape Breton right now the leaves are starting to turn those beautiful Celtic colours. It is beautiful right now all across Cape Breton and across the province. People come from all over Nova Scotia, from all over the country, and from across the world to Cape Breton. They come to beautiful Cape Breton to see it in the fall. I would say that is worth protecting. Nova Scotians do not want to see important wildlife areas sold off without proper oversight. They want to see our wildlife and wild areas protected.

It's also concerning to see this move since this government is far from on track to meet important targets. There is a legislated goal of protecting 20 percent of Nova Scotian land and water by 2030. This government is significantly short of that, and 2030 is getting closer every day. So far Nova Scotia is protecting only 13 percent of the province.

We heard that in 2024 the Premier listed 16 new proposed wilderness areas and nature reserves. As far as I am aware, none of them have been proclaimed. Actions speak louder than words. With this bill the government's actions are contradicting their words when they've proposed those new wilderness areas.

Let's talk red tape. The minister says this bill is about cutting red tape. When you say "cutting red tape", most people don't see the redundancies. What they fear is what kind of red tape are we talking about? Is it to improve efficiency, or is it to lower our standards? Because oftentimes, when people here are cutting red tape, they think lowering standards, not efficiency.

Efficiency is important. Don't get me wrong. We want to make sure Nova Scotia is a good place to do business, where important projects can happen in a timely fashion; projects like building affordable housing we so desperately need. No one wants unnecessary burdens, but we need to ensure that safety remains the top priority. Safety of our workers, safety of Nova Scotians remains top of mind. We need to make sure that we aren't removing important checks which keep Nova Scotians safe.

There is a lot in this bill which should be reviewed very carefully. Unfortunately, this is yet another omnibus bill which will be pushed through in a very short time. There won't be the scrutiny that these issues deserve, and that is too bad, really, because we should be able to do our jobs of reviewing and improving legislation on behalf of Nova Scotians. Nova Scotians should have their say and be heard by this government. I cannot wait to hear from Nova Scotians at Public Bills.

THE SPEAKER « » : The honourable member for Sydney-Membertou.

HON. DEREK MOMBOURQUETTE « » : I'm going to be brief on this. We actually support the reduction of red tape. This bill in particular, tries to do that. I'm never a fan of lumping all of these particular things into one bill, but I will say in our time in government we looked at ways to reduce red tape. We had a department that was involved with it.

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For us, the key is when you see bills like this, like anything else you want to get it to the public so the public can come in and provide some feedback. We have seen that multiple times with bills, where governments will come in and make amendments. For us, we spent a lot of time too, talking about red tape reduction when we were in government. We want to make it as easy as possible for businesses to do business here, but at the same time ensuring that consultation and feedback is provided so that we're doing it in the best way possible, where communities know there is a development taking place and that they have all the information possible.

That's really where you run into a lot of problems, is when you're on this journey of reducing red tape, making it easier for businesses, consultation becomes a really key part of it that you can't forget. People are always interested in what's taking place in their communities, especially if there are new developments. I'll leave it there for now. We support the reduction of red tape. I look forward to seeing this before committee. We'll have more to say after the public has their say.

THE SPEAKER « » : If I recognize the minister it will be to close the debate.

The honourable Minister of Environment and Climate Change.

HON. TIMOTHY HALMAN « » : I thank my colleagues for their comments. Just a few points of clarification. This bill that's before the House is in response to the changes that we have seen to the global economy. The status quo is not acceptable. The status quo in Nova Scotia is not working. The NDP is the party of the status quo.

What this bill is going to do is unleash our potential to responsibly develop our economy. The regulatory process we have in Nova Scotia has to change to bring about economic growth in Nova Scotia. The Premier of this province has been crystal clear. We are not going to cut and block like the Opposition parties would have us do. Rather we're going to build up the economy of this province. In order to do that, we need to make sure we have all the tools at our disposal.

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There are three elements to this bill. The first element is changes to efficiencies in the resource sector. Specifically this bill is going to enable red tape reduction plans for resource sectors, for resource departments - departments like Environment and Climate Change, departments like Natural Resources, departments like Growth and Development - to ensure we have the most effective, up-to-date rules to unleash the economic potential of this province.

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Speaker, just because we are changing rules, just because we are modernizing, it doesn't mean we are reckless. What it means is we care deeply about the future of this province. We know that we need to have regulatory certainty in order to drive the economy of this province.

We are going to have a reimagined single-window service for mining. We're going to have specialized navigation and efficiency teams, digital improvements to the permitting process for mining, a comprehensive regulatory review to identify further improvements, development of a pre-qualified professional program for mining, and review of fees associated with mining for potential elimination or reimbursement. That is the first part of the bill.

The second part of the bill has to do with permit improvements: fewer permits faster. The NDP wants more permits slower because they don't want to advance these projects. We need to clarify what this bill is about. It is about clearing the way so that we have economic growth, so that we can grow the economy to pay for the things that we all cherish: our hospitals, our schools, and our roads.

The bill also contains other administrative efficiencies, whereby if acts are no longer required because it's duplicative, we are going to eliminate them.

I look forward to the debate on this bill as we move forward. I believe to my core this bill will unleash the potential of this province. Nova Scotia has so much potential, and this bill will unleash the economic potential our children and grandchildren deserve.

With that, Speaker, I close debate on second reading.

THE SPEAKER « » : The motion is for second reading of Bill No. 137.

All those in favour? Contrary minded? Thank you.

The motion is carried.

Ordered that this bill be referring to the Standing Committee on Public Bills.

The honourable Deputy Government House Leader.

MELISSA SHEEHY-RICHARD « » : Speaker, this concludes government business for today. I move that the House do now rise to meet again on Friday, September 26^th, between the hours of 9:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m.

Following daily routine and Question Period, government business will include second reading.

THE SPEAKER « » : The motion is that the House do now rise to meet again on Friday, September 26^th, between the hours of 9:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m.

All those in favour? Contrary minded? Thank you.

The motion is carried.

The House stands adjourned until tomorrow, September 26^th, at 9:00 a.m.

[The House rose at 3:18 p.m.]

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