The Nova Scotia Legislature

The House resumed on:
September 21, 2017.
























HALIFAX, MONDAY, APRIL 3, 1995



Fifty-sixth General Assembly



Third Session



7:00 P.M.



SPEAKER



Hon. Paul MacEwan



DEPUTY SPEAKER



Mrs. Francene Cosman






MR. SPEAKER: Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to call the House to order at this time to
commence this evening’s session. We will first have some introductions of guests.



The honourable member for Halifax Bedford Basin.



MR. GERALD FOGARTY: Mr. Speaker, to you and through you to all members of the House of
Assembly, I would like to introduce some visitors in the east gallery behind me from my riding of Halifax
Bedford Basin. They are members of the 3rd Rockingham Scout Troop. There are 11 boys aged 11 to 14 from
the Rockingham area in Halifax Bedford Basin. They are led by their leader Jim deBaie along with Mike
Madden, Gordon MacMillan, Bill Carr and Mr. Rob Little who is also Principal of Rockingham Elementary
School.



Mr. Speaker, I would ask all members of the House to give our visitors the usual warm welcome.
(Applause)



MR. SPEAKER: We will move on to the daily routine.



PRESENTING AND READING PETITIONS



PRESENTING REPORTS OF COMMITTEES



TABLING REPORTS, REGULATIONS AND OTHER PAPERS



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable Minister of Finance.









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HON. BERNARD BOUDREAU: Mr. Speaker, in accordance with the provisions of the Provincial
Finance Act, I beg leave to table the Public Accounts for the Province of Nova Scotia for the fiscal year ended
March 31, 1994. I would ask the Chief Messenger to provide members with copies of the Accounts. I might
add for the information of all members, the Supplement to the Public Accounts, which usually draws some
interest, will be distributed in the House hopefully by the end of the week.



MR. SPEAKER: The report is tabled.



Copies will be distributed to all members by the Pages.



STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS



GOVERNMENT NOTICES OF MOTION



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable Minister of Finance.



RESOLUTION NO. 21



HON. BERNARD BOUDREAU: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall:



(1) read and table the message from His Honour the Lieutenant Governor transmitting the Estimates
of Sums required for the service of the province for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1996;



(2) table the Estimate Books;



(3) table the Estimate resolutions;



(4) deliver my Budget Speech;



(5) move that the Estimates of Sums required for the service of the province, for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 1996, being Supply to be granted to Her Majesty, be referred to the Committee of the Whole
House on Supply.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



INTRODUCTION OF BILLS



Bill No. 2 - Entitled an Act to Amend Chapter 156 of the Acts of 1910. The Maritime Telegraph
and Telephone Company, Limited Act. (Mr. Gerald Fogarty)



MR. SPEAKER: Ordered that this bill be read a second time on a future day.



NOTICES OF MOTION



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Kings West.






RESOLUTION NO. 22



MR. GEORGE MOODY: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the Liberal Government gave the public 14 working days to comment on gambling
regulations; and



Whereas the Liberal Government was able to digest all the comments received from Nova Scotians
and release finalized regulations in three short days; and



Whereas, coincidentally, the hours of operation as set out in the new regulations are the hours set
out by ITT Sheraton in its winning proposal;



Therefore be it resolved that the people of Nova Scotia not be fooled for a minute as to who is in the
driver’s seat with regard to casinos in the province as the government did not listen to the people, but rather
listened to ITT Sheraton.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Halifax Fairview.



RESOLUTION NO. 23



MS. ALEXA MCDONOUGH: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move
the adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the imposition of casino gambling in Nova Scotia, in defiance of widespread public protest,
involves the risk of corruption and organized crime, warranting rigorous public scrutiny of all those involved
in its administration and enforcement; and



Whereas those appointed to the Nova Scotia Gaming Control Commission have been chosen
precisely on the basis of their close alliance to the Liberal Party, jeopardizing the independence and arm’s
length relationship promised and essential between government and commission; and



Whereas the Gaming Control Act regulations require that commission members adhere to standards
applicable to public servants, rather than to the standards, including disclosure, that apply to members of the
Legislature;



Therefore be it resolved that the Gaming Control Act regulations be amended to require full public
disclosure by Gaming Control Commission members at the standard established for members of the
Legislature.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley.



RESOLUTION NO. 24



MR. BROOKE TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the hunting industry is an annual $32 million investment in Nova Scotia’s economy with
some of that funding being generated as a result of American citizens visiting Nova Scotia to do their hunting;
and



Whereas the oldest and largest sportsman organization in Kentucky, with a membership of 75,000,
are being urged not to hunt in Canada - including Nova Scotia - in 1995 and are urging all major hunting
and fishing organizations in the United States not to hunt or fish in Canada this year because of Canada’s
proposed gun registration system; and



Whereas federal Minister of Justice Allan Rock has said that a national registration system for
firearms is being developed in conjunction with provincial governments;



Therefore be it resolved that the Nova Scotia Government refuse the federal government any
assistance in their attempt to establish a national gun registration system.



I would ask, Mr. Speaker, for waiver of notice.



MR. SPEAKER: I hear a number of Noes.



The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Hants West.



RESOLUTION NO. 25



MR. RONALD RUSSELL: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day, I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the Liberal Government gave only 14 working days for Nova Scotians to respond to the
regulations proposed for casinos and other gambling operations; and



Whereas the Liberal Government was able to digest that public input and release the regulations three
days later; and



Whereas many injured workers are still without benefits because the Workers’ Compensation Act,
passed over 56 days ago in the last session of the Legislature, still has not been proclaimed yet;



Therefore be it resolved that the Liberal Government which has shown a lot of concern when ITT
Sheraton is involved and little concern with the injured workers of Nova Scotia begin to show that pillar of
compassion that has been readily forgotten after last year’s Speech from the Throne and get on with the
implementation and proclamation of workers’ compensation legislation.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable Leader of the New Democratic Party.



RESOLUTION NO. 26



MR. JOHN HOLM: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day, I shall move the adoption
of the following resolution:



Whereas Nova Scotia universities represent a critical base of economic strength in our province
because of their diversity, their continued quality despite a decade of funding erosion and their continued
attraction of out-of-province students whose presence is a benefit to our economy; and



Whereas the Nova Scotia Council on Higher Education has signalled the province to reduce
university funding by some $20 million this year, as it downloads funding reductions imposed by their Liberal
cronies in Ottawa; and



Whereas many more Nova Scotians need to attain higher not lower levels of education to enable us
to maximize our human resources and thrive in the realities of the modern world;



Therefore be it resolved that this government become proactive in protecting and enhancing our
universities, commencing with taking a stand against the federal government’s assault on transfers to the
provinces, estimated at $385 million over the next three years in Nova Scotia alone, on which Thursday’s
Speech from the Throne was inexplicably and unacceptably silent.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley.



RESOLUTION NO. 27



MR. BROOKE TAYLOR: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day, I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas today’s Daily News editorial describes the government’s response to reduce weekday casino
gambling hours, “as suspect as loaded dice”; and



Whereas today’s Daily News editorial describes the decision by government to close casinos on Good
Friday, Christmas Day and Easter Sunday as a losing bet by government in the transparent use of an ancient
ploy; and



Whereas the government member for Cape Breton West described his former leader yesterday as an
“extremely misguided individual and one who should give the Liberal rank and file a fair, open and equal
opportunity to express their views”;



Therefore be it resolved that the Premier of this province explain how he plans to give his own Party
rank and file equal opportunity when he is unwilling to allow Nova Scotians the right to voice their opinions
on issues of concern to them.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Queens.



RESOLUTION NO. 28



MR. JOHN LEEFE: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day, I shall move the adoption
of the following resolution:



Whereas Tom Reyno and Wallace Scallion have shown leadership in resolving the long standing
question, what can we do with dogfish; and



Whereas this vigorous and thoughtful search for knowledge has been supported by the Canadian
Institute of Fisheries Technology; and



Whereas the end result is the creation of a new pet snack called “Pet-trition”;



Therefore be it resolved that Tom Reyno, Wallace Scallion and the Institute of Fisheries Technology
be congratulated for finding at least one positive solution to an underutilized and much maligned fish.



[7:15 p.m.]



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Halifax Atlantic.



RESOLUTION NO. 29



MR. ROBERT CHISHOLM: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas on March 27, 1995, the Minister of Health held a press conference to showcase a modern
fleet of shiny new ambulances; and



Whereas last year the Minister of Health insisted that Bill No. 96 required emergency passage
through the Legislature, to enable emergency medical services reform to go forward in Nova Scotia in an
orderly and timely manner; and



Whereas despite dangling state of the art ambulances before an anxious public, the Minister of Health
has yet to bring forward new standards and a comprehensive plan for pre-hospital emergency medical services
in the province;



Therefore be it resolved that the minister restore public confidence in the emergency medical services
reform process by revealing the system whereby training, personnel and equipment will be supplied and
services will be organized and delivered to Nova Scotians who require them.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable Leader of the New Democratic Party.



RESOLUTION NO. 30



MR. JOHN HOLM: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the adoption
of the following resolution:



Whereas Sydney Tar Ponds Clean Up Incorporated has issued a call for proposals for a company to
take over the management of the entire operation of the tar ponds clean-up plan; and



Whereas no environmental assessment has ever been held to examine the extent of the problem at
the tar ponds or the proposed incineration solution, and there is no reason to doubt the efficacy of the proposed
solution; and



Whereas the findings of the most recent internal investigations of the administration of the company
have not been made public;



Therefore be it resolved that prior to the selection of a new management for the clean-up, the
operating permit be upgraded to at least meet the minimum CME guidelines.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Halifax Fairview.



RESOLUTION NO. 31



MS. ALEXA MCDONOUGH: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move
the adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the Health Reform Blueprint Committee described Nova Scotia’s home care as, too narrow
in scope, too hard to access, unevenly available to most Nova Scotians “because the services don’t exist, they
don’t know the services exist, they don’t know how to access them, or they simply can’t afford them”; and



Whereas effective health reform requires that a comprehensive, integrated system of home care be
in place before community hospitals are closed, beds reduced and same day admission, day surgery and early
discharge policies are expanded; and



Whereas anything less is insensitive, unsafe and punitive towards the sick, especially the elderly, and
to families forced to bear an increasingly heavy financial, physical and emotional burden for this ineptness;



Therefore be it resolved that the government act on the blueprint’s recommendations that the
desperately needed system of community-based and home care services be in place before pulling the plug on
any more hospital-based services.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



ORDERS OF THE DAY



GOVERNMENT BUSINESS



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable Government House Leader.



HON. RICHARD MANN: Mr. Speaker, would you please call the order of business, Government
Motions.



GOVERNMENT MOTIONS



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable Government House Leader.



HON. RICHARD MANN: Mr. Speaker, would you please call the Address in Reply to the Speech
from the Throne.



MR. SPEAKER: The motion is that the adjourned debate on the Address in Reply to the Speech from
the Throne be now resumed.



The motion is carried.



The honourable member for Hants West. You have 30 minutes remaining.



MR. RONALD RUSSELL: I have 30 minutes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.



Mr. Speaker, on Friday I had the opportunity to review at some length the Speech from the Throne.
At that time I commented on the number of omissions that were contained in this particular speech. In fact,
I said there was very little in the Throne Speech and if they had made a Throne Speech on the omissions, it
certainly would have been a much bulkier document.



Mr. Speaker, I didn’t comment on some departments of government and I would like to do that
tonight because I would like to talk for a brief period of time about an issue that I think is of major importance
to all Nova Scotians. I am sure we can all remember back to the olden days when we used to see western
movies. You would see a small community built up alongside the railroad tracks or the route of the
stagecoach. You would see a community develop with the bank and a saloon, and a sheriff’s office and a
doctor’s office and various other services to the populous in that area.



Mr. Speaker, in the Province of Nova Scotia over the last 300 years or so, communities have grown
up in the same way. Communities have congregated in farming communities, formed in fishing communities
and have formed in areas where there were transportation crossings, fords across streams and what have you
or locations where the stagecoaches or the railroads would stop on their way up or down the Valley, for
instance, or up towards Cape Breton or across to our neighbouring provinces.



These communities grew up and they formed an identity and they formed that identity, as I said,
around about these particular elements that make up a community. Over the past few years, we have seen
many of those elements destroyed. We have seen the postal service downgraded and in many instances the
local post office is gone completely, we have seen the disappearance of the rural railroad station. Today, in
many communities we are seeing the loss of the bus station, we are seeing, yes, Mr. Speaker, I will yield to
the honourable member for Timberlea-Prospect.



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Timberlea-Prospect, on an introduction.



MR. BRUCE HOLLAND: Thank you, to my learned colleague for allowing me the opportunity to
make this introduction. It gives me great pleasure to introduce the first Hammonds Plains scout group from
my riding and their leaders, Jerry Samson, Ken Lord, Miles Barrs, Pat Dean and Peter Chaisson. I would like
you all to give them a warm welcome to the House. (Applause)



MR. RUSSELL: I have seen a loss of a number of elements that enable a community to be indeed
a community. This government now, that we have in place, is going about a rapid destruction of those
communities and they are doing it by taking away the last vestiges of what make up a community.
Communities are losing their hospitals, they are going to very shortly, I believe, lose control of their
educational system. They are losing, in many cases, their court-houses and other elements that make up the
justice system within this province, they are losing, in fact, in most cases now, they have lost their police
forces, particularly after hours police forces are only available after a phone call. They are losing their local
transportation officers. In my particular area, we are losing our office of the Department of Housing and we
are now in the process of losing our boards of health throughout this province with the transfer of those
responsibilities to the Department of the Environment.



All of these things are going to have an effect on the long-term viability of small communities within
this province. When we lose those communities I would suggest to you, then we are on the slippery slope
down towards everybody in the province having to either live in larger communities or else having to
commute to the larger communities which will get the growth. In the case of my own community and that is
the Town of Windsor and the surrounding villages of which there are about 20 and the Town of Hantsport,
all of those services are going to be congregated further down the Valley in the Town of Kentville.



When you go in to any small community within Nova Scotia and talk to the residents there you will
find that within those communities there are families that have inhabited that area, at least their forebears
have inhabited that area, not just for a single generation but perhaps for many generations. In fact, it is not
unusual in every one of the communities in the constituency of Hants West, to find families who have their
roots that go back over 200 years.



Mr. Speaker, many of these small communities, and I can take you out along the shore, for instance,
from Walton into the Village of Brooklyn, a distance of something like 40 miles approximately, there are
probably about 10 villages along that shore which are now in the process of disappearing simply because there
are no local services. You take away those things that make up a community and then businesses start to
disappear as well because people no longer have the inclination to come in and do, for instance, their banking
or their dealings with some government department, et cetera; they are going to go to some larger centre to
carry out those transactions and they will do their shopping there as well. So, you start losing the small
businesses that congregate within those communities.



Mr. Speaker, the Liberal Government is presently and arbitrarily stripping many of these
communities of the elements which made them unique and which bound them together over the centuries.
This government is like an uncontrollable tornado and behind everything that it touches is a swath of
destruction. The Liberal Government has rammed through numerous pieces of legislation which will change
the fabric of Nova Scotia as we know it forever, and it is about that which I wish to speak for a few minutes.



This government has and is continuing to close or dramatically downsize community hospitals. For
instance, Mr. Speaker, the original hospital in the Town of Windsor was built by public subscription and
bequests from residents of the local area. There was no government money in the original hospital that was
built in the Town of Windsor. In 1974, the then Liberal Government, to their credit, came along and said that
the existing hospital in the Town of Windsor was old and needed updating and rather than update that
hospital that they would provide funding to build a new hospital, and a splendid new facility was indeed built
and opened in 1974.






But the community still considers that hospital in Windsor to be their hospital because some of the
proceeds of the sale of the old lands that the old hospital sat on went towards the cost of building the new
facilities. The Municipalities of West Hants and East Hants and the Towns of Windsor and Hantsport made
significant contributions towards the hospital and thus felt a great sense of ownership; the hospital auxiliary
has continuously made substantial contributions towards the hospital to provide equipment; the local service
clubs, the Rotary Club, the Kinsmen Club and the Jaycees and other service clubs have all contributed to that
particular hospital and they consider, within the constituency of Hants West and actually in the constituency
of Hants East, that that hospital is their hospital.



Now, Mr. Speaker, there is no doubt that the minister is probably on the right track when he is saying
that we have to cut back on the cost of health care. I think everybody understands that; indeed, I think even
those who are intimately connected with the hospital, those who are actually employed there and could
possibly lose their job understand that there does have to be some downsizing. But the problem is that people
feel that they are losing local control over what is left, because we are now going to have a regional board who
are going to be looking after hospitals all down the Valley and up the South Shore.



That regional board, as you well know, is responsible for providing funding to the hospital. It will
still be local boards but the local boards and the local people feel that they will no longer have a hands-on
influence on what services are provided within that hospital and what exactly would be carried out in the way
of procedures in that hospital. There is a real danger in this, Mr. Speaker, because you will find, I believe, that
the people who contributed so much in a voluntary way towards that hospital, the auxiliary to the hospital,
the service clubs and the municipal units themselves, will say, what the heck. We do not have any influence
over what happens in this hospital any more. Why should we contribute to anything that is going to be done
in that hospital?



[7:30 p.m.]



In fact, Mr. Speaker, the downsizing of the Windsor hospital, as I have said, I think, is acceptable
and I think it can be rationally explained, providing the Department of Health and the Minister of Health says
and does what he said he was going to do and that is to provide an adequate out-patient and an adequate Home
Care Program.



Mr. Speaker, several years back, I think it was back around about 1986, along the shore of the
Municipality of West Hants, as I was saying a few moments ago, there was an area stretching from Walton
through to Brooklyn and on into Windsor. A distance, probably, of 40 or 50 miles. There was one medical
practitioner serving that entire area, a very long corridor, fairly sparsely populated, but still with about 5 to
10 villages along that section.



This doctor, Dr. Charlie Hines, he looked after that whole area on his own. His father, Dr. Arthur
Hines, had looked after it before him and the Hines family was the medical practice for that area. Dr. Arthur
Hines started getting old and retired. The people realized that they were going to have quite a difficulty getting
a doctor to practice in that area. But they wanted medical services within their community, within the
community of the Kempt Shore.



So, Mr. Speaker, they went out and raised money. They went out and contacted the government of
the day, the Department of Health. They went out and contacted the Medical Society of Nova Scotia with a
view to getting a doctor to locate in that area. They were told by the Medical Society, that, yes, we can get you
somebody to operate in that area, but you are going to have to establish some kind of a clinic for that doctor
to operate. You are going to have to establish some kind of funding to also augment in some way the doctor.
You are also going to have to find another doctor who is going to be able to relieve that doctor that we think
we can get for you.



So the people went out, Mr. Speaker, and they, first of all, bought an old building over in
Shubenacadie in East Hants and had that trucked down to Cheverie and they set it up, renovated it, put it on
a basement and they started a clinic.



The Dr. Hines Clinic became a reality, as I said, Mr. Speaker, around about 1987. That clinic has
operated ever since it was successfully opened at that time. But today, the demand on that clinic is so great
that they cannot meet all the requirements of their community. They cannot use it to maximum effect. Because
that clinic was not only successful in providing services for healing the physical body, it became the centre
of social interchange within that community. The clinic ran community programs for the whole community,
for seniors, for young people and for the unemployed.



I want to make two points here, Mr. Speaker. My first point is rather obvious that health centres are
the hub of any community.



MR. SPEAKER: Order, please. The level of buzz in the House is getting too high. I cannot hear the
honourable member as he makes his speech. Would honourable members please restrain themselves.



MR. RUSSELL: The first point that I was making was that the health care centre is indeed a hub of
a community. It is where people know that they can go to not only look after their physical health but to do
other things as well.



The second point, and the one that is very important, Mr. Speaker, and one we should never forget,
if a health care centre is not available within a community, then people do not want to live or work within that
community, particularly young people with young children. They do not want to be too far away from the local
doctor. They do not want to be too far away from somewhere where they can get first aid, et cetera. So the
whole community suffers and we have out-migration rather than in-migration.



Another point, Mr. Speaker, is that our communities exist because of the community spirit among
residents. I would just like to mention a name as I go along. I have been talking about the Hants Shore clinic
and we have a lady out there whose name is Alice Galley. Alice Galley is not a young lady by any means but
she is a very spirited, hard working and diligent person who is a real spark plug in getting community action.
She was one of the ladies who got that clinic established in the first place. It is people like Alice Galley and
Dr. Hines who have made those communities along the Kempt Shore the thriving places that they are.



Mr. Speaker, I would just like to mention, before I leave health, that another aspect of health care
reform that the minister has brought before the public of Nova Scotia, is the provision of emergency services.
The Minister of Health announced just last week the leasing of 150 ambulances on behalf of a soon to be
announced operational agency that will control ambulance services within the province.



I had a meeting in my constituency on Sunday night, last night, Mr. Speaker. I did not have all that
many people there, there were about 15 or 20 people, but however, everybody who was there, I think, had a
question about the ambulance services. Because being in a rural area, ambulance services are incredibly
important to those who live at any distance from a hospital. They wanted to know from me, what kind of a
program was going to be put in place. I happened to have a copy of the minister’s release in my briefcase. I
brought that out and I went through it with them. At the end of that period, the question that was asked to me
was, why is the government getting into the ambulance business? I mean why, when we have people who are
quite capable of operating ambulances, we have people who have been providing a service over the years,
quite capable of carrying on.



Now, the minister will say to us, well, that is fine but their equipment is not up to date and secondly,
their personnel are poorly trained. Well, surely, Mr. Speaker, all that is required is for the minister to issue
a directive that your ambulance shall meet certain specifications and you must have those ambulances up and
running within a period of 18 months, two years, whatever the minister decides. And that your personnel who
man those ambulances, will have to have taken an approved course, passed that course, and on a regular basis
be re-examined to see if they are still competent and then we are in business.



The present ambulances, the private enterprise, the small businesses within this province are going
to be quite happy and the people of this province are going to be quite happy and I would think that the
Department of Health should be very happy because they are not in the ambulance business, they do not own
these ambulances and they are not responsible for that service.



Another thing that was also mentioned, Mr. Speaker, that I should comment on, I guess, while I am
still on ambulances, is that there are operators at the present time who have ambulances that require major
repairs. The question that they are asking, and I am sure the minister has heard this, why should we repair
our present ambulances? For instance, I know of one ambulance service that has taken three ambulances off
the road just within the last two or three weeks. I think two of those ambulances require new engines and the
third one requires a considerable amount of body work. Before the minister’s announcement, they were going
to replace the engines in two of those ambulances and do an upgrade on the third one. But they said, why
should we do it when the minister, the Department of Health, the Government of the Province of Nova Scotia,
are going to buy brand new ambulances and, through some sleight-of-hand, pass them on to whatever
operators are selected to run them?



So, Mr. Speaker, that question was asked to me, as I say, two or three questions on ambulances. The
last one was the one that I have just repeated. Perhaps it wasn’t as important as the question as to why we are
putting small businesses in this province . . .



AN HON MEMBER: Out of business.



MR. RUSSELL: . . . out of business, exactly. Why are we doing that? What business does the
government have to get into the ambulance business?



Mr. Speaker, I mentioned a moment ago that another essential part of our community is the local
school system. I don’t think there is a subject that will get people, particularly in communities where there is
a younger population, where there are families of child-bearing age, where there are families coming along
with children going to school, I don’t think there is another subject as important to those people as to what
is going on in their schools, how good an education are their children going to receive, and I suppose also,
to a lesser extent, what is the service going to cost me through my municipal taxes?



As you well know, Mr. Speaker, over the past several years there have been a large number of studies
done of the educational system that we have in this province. Each time at the end of that process it has always
come back with something to the effect that bigger is better. Well, perhaps to a certain extent bigger is better.
I think that the day when we had the individual, small schoolhouse that was just down the road, is gone
because we can’t afford that kind of a system. I do believe that perhaps a county system or a constituency
system far surpasses what the Minister of Education is saying he is going to deliver to the people of Nova
Scotia.



Mr. Speaker, as you are well aware, he was talking originally of five school boards - I believe the
number is now seven. With seven school boards that means that within my constituency, that surrounding the
Towns of Windsor and Hantsport, that the educational system within that constituency will be part and parcel
of a system that goes all the way through Kings County and Annapolis County and I believe skips over Clare,
into Yarmouth County, comes up the South Shore of this province through Shelburne, Queens and Lunenburg
Counties, right up, almost, I believe, to Timberlea-Prospect before it cuts off. That is a school district; that
will be administered by a school board.



Now, Mr. Speaker, how on earth can anybody say that somebody in the Town of Windsor knows
what is required in the school system in the Town of Shelburne? Or, conversely, how can somebody in
Shelburne know what is needed in the school in Hantsport? I know what the answer will be from the Minister
of Education; he will say we are going to have a standard system, it will be exactly the same. Don’t you believe
it, Mr. Speaker, it will never be the same because each particular area has its own priorities. The core program
may be standard right across this system but each area across this province, each small grouping of
communities, have their own individual priorities. The priorities within those small communities will not be
administered by a school board of that size.



[7:45 p.m.]



Mr. Speaker, this is the future generations of this province that we’re speaking about. I have four
minutes? Well, I’d like to skip that if I may and go on to speak about justice. I’d like to speak about justice in
particular before I sit down. Because as I said, back in the western towns one of the centres of the towns was
the sheriff’s office. In the centre of the shiretown in Hants County, which is Windsor, we have a court-house.
We have a registry of deeds, a prothonotary office. We have all the bits and pieces that go up to make a court-house plus the individual courts themselves.



Now, the Minister of Justice is telling us that because of financial reasons they’re going to more or
less close that court-house down and all the attendant offices that go along with it and move the whole
shooting match to Kentville. We have a perfectly adequate court-house and court-house system within the
Town of Windsor. It is operating very well. It has operated for donkey’s years.



In the Town of Kentville, they’re going to have to build a new building to accommodate the court
from Windsor. I defy the minister to show me on a balance sheet how on earth that is going to save the justice
system in this province any money, particularly when they’re going to have to run the sheriff backwards and
forwards, take the police out of the local area and cart them off down to Kentville. It just will not work, Mr.
Speaker.



Mr. Speaker, I thank the honourable members for their attention. I thank you for the opportunity to
speak on the Throne Speech. I look forward to entering in debate on some of the other items that I haven’t had
the opportunity to speak on this evening. Thank you.



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable Deputy Speaker and member for Bedford-Fall River. (Applause)



MRS. FRANCENE COSMAN: Mr. Speaker, it gives me very great pleasure to respond to the Throne
Speech this evening and to have this opportunity to speak on behalf of the constituents of Bedford-Fall River.
Those of you who know the constituency of Bedford-Fall River will know that it takes in most of the Town
of Bedford up to the area known as Bedford West just beyond the Bicentennial Highway and includes the
territory all the way out to the airport, parts of District 14 and District 17 in the County of Halifax.



My constituents in Bedford-Fall River are very pleased to see our government’s action with respect
to the announcement of Phase II of the Highway No. 107 project. This is in respect of that project an extension
again to the Burnside Connector. Work will be undertaken this summer on the realignment of Duke Street
as far as the entrance goes and the industrial park and on the interchange in that area as part of the ongoing
construction and improvements along this Burnside Connector.



Over the past several years, residents have complained on many occasions about the heavy truck
traffic along the Rocky Lake Road. With the completion of this project, truck traffic will be redirected away
from Rocky Lake Road and onto Highway No. 102. This is a very much anticipated announcement and one
that was greeted with a high degree of pleasure in my community. This announcement has been the subject
of many political promises in the past by the former government.



Mr. Speaker, the location of the Fall River Environmental Clinic is anticipated with a high amount
of enthusiasm. Many residents have spoken to me about the location of the clinic in Fall River and they look
forward to its construction and its formal opening. We know that thousands of people will discover Fall River
and they will be helped to maximize their health as they go through this clinic and find the answer to their
serious illness.



Mr. Speaker, the blood fractionation plant utilizing the highest degree of technology and innovation
possible is locating in the town of Bedford. It, too, is looked forward to by many people, not only for the jobs
that this plant will create but for the fact that it will be the driving force for more high technology industries
locating nearby.



Our government proposes to unify four municipal units in this session of the House and it is to this
unification that I now wish to turn my address. Over the past six months, I have attended many meetings in
the town of Bedford and in Districts 14 and 17 in the county. I have heard from hundreds of residents in my
constituency. I fully support Districts 14 and 17 in their request for one polling district based on a very strong
community of interest.



Questions about boundaries, tax rates, debt, the effect of amalgamation on fire and police are all
issues of concern which residents in my constituency continue to bring to me and to communicate with me
about. I have attempted to share with my colleagues any correspondence that I receive on this subject because
I think it is important that they not only understand the concerns that are being expressed but also have the
ability to read some of the letters, if not all of the letters that I receive on that topic.



The coordinator of the amalgamation process, Mr. Bill Hayward, has assured residents they will not
have to pay for the old debts of the other municipal units, that the volunteer fire departments will continue,
that planning issues will be dealt with by community councils or committees of local residents. Those
assurances must be restated time and time again because those are concerns that my residents have and repeat
to me on a daily basis.



In order to bring the concerns of my constituents to this Legislature, I want to just briefly touch upon
a bit of the history of how Bedford became a town. In the late 1970’s, the residents of Bedford were
represented at the municipal government level with one seat on Halifax County Council. At that time, it was
determined that the needs of Bedford, as a district were not being met, particularly, in the areas of education,
municipal planning and zoning. The community was faced with an explosion of growth in the 1970’s and with
very little control in place to make sure that growth was appropriate to the district. Over a period of two years,
dozens of residents worked together to make a presentation to the Public Utilities Board of the day, seeking
independent status and to break away from the County of Halifax.



The outcome of that two year process was that the Public Utilities Board determined that Bedford
could afford to become a new town, the first in over six decades in Nova Scotia. I had the very great privilege
and pleasure of representing the town as its first mayor, elected in 1979 with an assumption of the full duties
of township in 1980. The reasons Bedford incorporated at that time were relevant then and they are relevant
today, Bedford incorporated to get control over its destiny, included in that, to have control over education,
planning and finance. In 1982, the town lost one major element of control over education, when its school
boards were emerged into district school boards and the Bedford board was merged again with Halifax
County. This was a result of restructuring and the amalgamation of boards into districts.



This 15 year history is one of the very strong emotional reasons that Bedford residents are reacting
to the proposed amalgamation. They have fought very hard to get an incorporated town and they have many
concerns about the loss of that incorporation at this time. Since that time, the town’s growth has been very
high. Bedford is currently growing at a rate of about 1,000 people per year. The town shares with other
municipal units or the province in a number of areas: education, in the district board; transit; landfill; regional
water supply; boards of trade; and until service exchange was implemented, social services; maintaining total
control over police and fire and planning issues.



The good people of Bedford have many concerns about amalgamation and they are concerned that
their taxes will increase and their services will decrease. One of the reasons for that concern is that they
currently have the lowest rates of tax of any of the four units. The coordinator has tried to reassure residents
that their tax rates will be structured along urban, suburban and rural structures.



Residents in the town refer to police and fire services in particular, because they have a very high
satisfaction rating for the operation of both the Bedford Police Department and the Bedford Volunteer Fire
Department. The people of Bedford have expressed to me that they feel that they do not have enough
information about amalgamation and, unfortunately, that is being fuelled by the high degree of
misinformation that is circulating in the town. The more misinformation there is out there, the more difficult
it is to get the facts across so that people can really analyze this and understand it.



There was discussion about our Liberal policy prior to the election. The policy stated very clearly that
municipal service exchange must happen first. Mr. Speaker, service exchange has happened first as a result
of the last sitting of the Legislature. My residents have spoken very clearly about their concerns and as their
MLA, I have no hesitation in bringing these concerns forward on their behalf because it is important that they
be heard and that they be understood.



In response to the concerns raised in the town, I established a committee of volunteer residents in
Bedford to work with me to identify the issues and to find a way to get the best agreement for the Town of
Bedford. When I established that committee, Mr. Speaker, it was greeted in the press as being all Liberal
hacks. Members on the committee are not Liberal hacks; they represent all walks of life. They also represent
all three political Parties and the thing that they want most is to strike a good deal for the Town of Bedford
and for the other parts of the constituency in this process. They are not there by reason of political affiliation.



Approximately 30 residents of the town have worked with me in the past six weeks to attempt to
bring forward the issues about amalgamation and to seek answers. The sub-committees have dealt with
taxation and finance, with planning, with education, with recreation, with police and fire issues. A series of
discussion papers will be brought forward to the coordinator and possibly to the Law Amendments Committee
to have input on the subject of amalgamation.



Mr. Speaker, representation is another issue of concern. The town has six councillors and a mayor
and Districts 14 and 17 have one councillor each. People are used to having easy access to their elected
representative without any degree of difficulty. The interim report of the commissioner suggested that one
representative for the Town of Bedford, based on an average population of 16,000 people, be the number that
Bedford would receive. The case can be made that one representative is simply not enough. The case that can
be made is based on our high-growth scenario, approximating 1,000 people every year since the 1991 Census
and with the high level of development activity that is currently on the boards right now and already approved,
one representative could not possibly be enough and that we should try to respond positively to the desire for
more.



Mr. Speaker, as the elected MLA for the Town of Bedford and Districts 14 and 17, I would be remiss
in not sharing with my colleagues the very deep concerns that have been expressed to me about amalgamation.
Community identities must not be lost and it is our challenge to make sure that community identities stay
strong and stay intact. Municipal planning strategies must be kept intact until there is an opportunity for
community wide review.



The primary area of concern that I continue to hear is that people do not feel they have enough
factual information, particularly on how to protect the unique suburban quality of Bedford and the rural
community qualities in Districts 14 and 17. These concerns are very real and legislation must be able to
answer them. We must be absolutely certain that the Town of Bedford and the communities of Districts 14
and 17 are not going to lose in any unified municipal unit.



What is the big picture? The federal budget impact will see provincial revenues drop by $328 million
over the next two years; this forces our Liberal Government to review all its programs and every area of
service delivery to find new ways of doing business for less. We no longer can ignore the big picture for
snapshots, and we must trim the sails. These are tough times and they call for adaptation and objectivity. My
desire, Mr. Speaker, is to strike a fair balance for my constituents to expect their concerns, not only be listened
to, but be answered in the part of the final design for the future.



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I know my colleagues are listening and it is my duty to my constituents to bring these concerns and
issues forward so that you can hear them. I thank you, sincerely, for the opportunity to do this in this
Legislature. (Applause)



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Lunenburg.



MRS. LILA O’CONNOR: Mr. Speaker, through you to our Premier John Savage and to all the
honourable members present here today, I want to say what an honour it is to reply to the Speech from the
Throne.



I would like to congratulate our Lieutenant Governor Jim Kinley for his first address to this Assembly
by delivering our government’s agenda. I wish to say a hardy thank you to our Lieutenant Governor and Mrs.
Kinley as fine representatives of our Queen, our country and the Province of Nova Scotia.



I want to also extend my respect to you, Mr. Speaker, and our new Deputy Speaker, Mrs. Francene
Cosman and to Mr. Buddy Daye our Sergeant-At-Arms.



Mr. Speaker, I extend to our Premier John Savage my respect and admiration for a Speech from the
Throne that gives continued hope to all Nova Scotians to work in a strong durable economy based on
community and entrepreneurial success. Our government’s agenda continues to be focused on a reformed
province so that Nova Scotia is the regional leader as we head into the 21st Century.



Mr. Speaker, I must also extend my love and admiration to my family. It is because of their love and
steadfast support that I am able to represent my constituency here in the Legislature. (Applause)



It has been my honour and pleasure to serve the good people of the Lunenburg riding. The support
shown to me and our government leaves me confident to serve the people of this riding knowing that this
government is on the financial road to recovery.



Our government’s goal is a balanced budget by 1996, and, Mr. Speaker, in the Liberal Government’s
first two years, we have moved steadily towards this goal. Bold action, under the leadership of Premier John
Savage, has resulted in significant economic growth throughout our province. Last year, the province enjoyed
a 3.2 economic growth rate. The third best in Canada. As a result, Nova Scotia now ranks second in all of
Canada in terms of job creation.



Mr. Speaker, Nova Scotia job creation figures are much better than other provinces including
Ontario, Quebec, British Columbia and New Brunswick. Under a Liberal Government, approximately 17,000
new jobs were created in Nova Scotia in 1994.



Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report that in our South Shore region the unemployment rate dropped
significantly over the last year. The unemployment rates for February 1994 were 15.1 per cent and for
February 1995 were 13.4 per cent. Our Liberal Government emphasizes strong self-sufficient companies,
private sector funding and well managed viable local businesses.



The Community Businesses Loan Program in 1994 approved seven projects in the Lunenburg riding
creating new jobs and maintaining others in this constituency. On March 1st of this year, Mr. Speaker, ECI
Medical Technologies hosted its grand opening. The latex glove factory is located in the Bridgewater
Industrial Park and is creating more new jobs for residents throughout Lunenburg County.



Last year, along the South Shore, and in particular Blue Rocks, Castlerock Productions completed
filming of the major motion picture titled, Dolores Claiborne. Not only did communities along the South
Shore enjoy the increase in employment, but also the many economic spin-offs as the result of needs for
products and services, site locations, skilled labourers and actors. In addition to hosting the location of the
filming of this major motion picture, Lunenburg County was proud to be chosen as the site of the world
premiere of Dolores Claiborne.



Mr. Speaker, as Legislative Assistant to the Economic Renewal Agency for Tourism, I am
particularly pleased to report that 1994 was one of the best tourist years in Nova Scotia for a long time.
(Applause) We believe that total tourism receipts for 1994 will reach an all-time high of $900 million. South
Shore tourism is preparing for 1995 with a program titled, “Super Host Atlantic”. This customer service
program is designated to upgrade the quality of service and hospitality offered to visitors.



In addition, last year, I was proud to be instrumental in the establishment of an organization to
promote the New Germany area. By bringing together residents and business leaders in our community we
have founded the New Germany Area Promotional Society. The society will be a singular entity to work with
other organizations, like tourism, to foster and manage new products in the community.



This year, Mr. Speaker, we are proud to host the Lunenburg Fisheries Exhibition. The exhibition was
the 1994 recipient of the American Bus Tour Award, as one of the most interesting places to visit.



Another volunteer effort in our community that has received national recognition is the Mahone Bay
Wooden Boat Festival. This festival has a sense of community spirit that is supported long and hard by
volunteers.



Mr. Speaker, the Mahone Bay tourist bureau was the number one tourist bureau in Nova Scotia. They
worked hard and they deserve the recognition.



Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report that Bluenose II is in its home port of Lunenburg, being made
ready in preparation for the Halifax Summit. We will all be proud to see her prepared once again, as a strong,
ocean-going vessel, in time to represent Nova Scotia to the world. Plans are underway for immediate tours
of Mahone Bay and Lunenburg during the Halifax Summit, to promote our communities world-wide.



The people of the Lunenburg riding continue to look to our government for the vision, the action
plan, that will lead all our citizens to the security, economic opportunity and support needed to pursue both
personal and community goals.



Mr. Speaker, as the Chair of the Human Resource Committee, I am proud to be part of the open and
accountable process for members to provincial boards. Years ago, previous government ministers merely used
their own discretion to appoint people to boards. Oftentimes, board appointments were without regard to
gender balance, regional representation or affirmative action and, very often, without any form of public
scrutiny.



In my reply to the Speech from the Throne, I would like to assure this government that the people
I represent in the riding of Lunenburg are committed to work in partnership with the citizens of Nova Scotia.
I, too, look forward to supporting a government that is prepared to make the tough decisions necessary to
ensure new and meaningful opportunities for Nova Scotians today and tomorrow. When the role is called, Mr.
Speaker, I will be voting in favour of the Speech from the Throne. Thank you. (Applause)



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Inverness, who wishes to make an introduction.



MR. CHARLES MACARTHUR: Mr. Speaker, it is with a great deal of pleasure that I want to
introduce to you and to other members of the House of Assembly, four gentlemen from the Inverness County
area. They are here, they met with the Minister of Justice, the Minister of Municipal Affairs and the Premier,
about major concerns they have concerning Inverness. Certainly it is a pleasure to see them here and I am sure
they got a good hearing from all the ministers involved, along with the Premier. I am sure they will be hearing
from him at a later date.



I want to introduce them. They can stand and receive the warm welcome of the House. They are:
Charles MacDonald, John Gillis, Francis Maloney and James MacLean. Please give them a warm welcome.
(Applause)



MR. SPEAKER: Now are there further honourable members who wish to address the Throne
Speech?



The honourable member for Hants East. (Applause)



MR. ROBERT CARRUTHERS: Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to rise and respond to the
Speech from the Throne this year. It is an interesting year. I wish, first, to acknowledge Your Honour, I look
forward to another year of your most enlightened rulings. We always feel on this side of the House, in this
corner, that it is interesting to watch the House proceed. Under your guidance we are gaining a great deal of
knowledge, as we are all new members to the House. (Applause)



I wish also to take this time to congratulate and acknowledge my friend and compatriot, the member
for Bedford-Fall River, she is the new Deputy Speaker. I think it is an indication of the movement of this
government in that I think this is only the second time in all the history of this House that we have had those
of the fairer gender in either the first or second spots in the House. In this particular situation we have a
Deputy Speaker who was the mayor of the Town of Bedford, I believe she was the first mayor of the Town
of Bedford and has chaired many important organizations throughout our community of Nova Scotia, not the
least of which was the Advisory Council on the Status of Women. So I think this is a real exciting time in this
House. I want to congratulate the member for Bedford-Fall River and I look forward to working with her in
the future.



I also wish to thank our Lieutenant Governor, the Honourable James Kinley, who read the Speech
from the Throne. He brings a vitality and excitement to that office that all in this House are going to look
forward to enjoying over many years.



Mr. Speaker, I also want to thank my family, my wife Judy who has been very supportive in these
early years in the House, because I must tell you that it is a learning experience. It is exciting and challenging
but without the support, as noted by the previous speaker, the support of your family, it would be very difficult.
We work well as a team and I think that all the House recognizes the support of their families is important.



I want to speak, Mr. Speaker, directly though on the area of Hants East, beautiful metropolitan
downtown Hants East. You can never tell people often enough where exactly Hants East is. So I just want to
take this opportunity, spending a couple of minutes, making sure that all the members of this House and all
those else who might care to listen know exactly where Hants East is. As a matter of fact (Interruptions)



MR. SPEAKER: Order, please. I want to hear where Hants East is. (Laughter)



MR. CARRUTHERS: I always like to have help from my friends from the Conservative benches
because I appreciate their input. As a matter of fact, what is very interesting to note that I still have a seat that
is mostly surrounded by seats that are held by the Opposition. That makes things very interesting. In this
province today it is fairly unique to have a seat that is fairly surrounded by the Opposition. (Laughter) Well,
my friend, the member for Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley says that won’t be for long, well, I agree with him,
it surely won’t be for long because there will be no seats very soon in this province that are going to be
surrounded by Opposition seats. In any case, I won’t dwell on that too long.



I want to tell you, Mr. Speaker, exactly where Hants East is. If you leave the central spot of this
government and you leave Halifax and you head out the two major arteries, Highway No. 102 and Highway
No. 101 - now Highway No. 103 is a major artery also but it is number three, there is number one, number
two and then there is number three - but if you go out Highway No. 101 or Highway No. 102, you shall come
through Hants East, a beautiful community. What is important about this community is that it reflects the true
urban/rural mix of this province. Hants East is like a little Nova Scotia. It has that urban/rural mix that is so
unique to this province, which makes us the type of people we are, people that we are proud to be and continue
to be. Hants East reflects this.



Its urban corridor from Enfield through to Shubenacadie through such communities as Elmsdale,
Lantz, Milford along the other main artery up to Mount Uniacke, some of the most vibrant, I believe the
statistics will show that these regions are the fastest growing regions in all of Nova Scotia. I have heard some
members speak about perhaps right in the metropolitan area, some of the ridings uniquely have certain
subdivisions, I am talking about an urban/rural mix, a whole region that goes for miles, it is the fastest
growing region in all of this province. It has it all.



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Where I live in Milford, I could be down in Halifax - to the things that the metropolitan district has
to offer - in 35 or 45 minutes, depending on, as long as you people realize to keep the traffic under control,
we have a bit of a traffic problem in our district but it is not because of lights I must tell you. In any case, it
only takes you 10 minutes from any part of Hants East and you’re in a real country atmosphere, a true country
atmosphere, an atmosphere where you feel safe, an atmosphere when you just have to walk a few hundred
yards and you are in some of the beautiful forestry districts and farming districts anywhere in this country.
I will put it against, bring the Okanogan down to Hants East, between Hants East the Annapolis Valley, the
finest farming and forestry districts in all of Canada in my view, I have no doubt about that.



I want the people to understand the uniqueness of this community because some of the things that
are outlined in this Throne Speech are very important to the people of Hants East. When you are in business
for a while, you get a sort of feel after you have gone through a long recessionary period, that things are
starting to catch. I have said this before about starting a car, I have said this before, I am sure I have said this
in this House before, you get this little feeling, it is starting to catch, it is starting to catch, one more turn and
the engine is going to go, it is a cold morning, it is starting to catch and the indicia are here, look at some of
the figures that came out. Building permits up 12 per cent, now I have to tell you, building permits to a
community such as mine, a growing community, a rural community, it shows the healthy feeling that the
people are having. They are going to build their houses. Look it is so simple, when people are scared, people
won’t invest, if people are worried about their jobs, if people are worried about whether they can make their
payments, they don’t go out and build a new house, it is just against human nature, you don’t do it.



I don’t care about all of the statistics, it is that feeling. Do you think it is time to build a house? If you
do then you got a good feeling about the community and 12 per cent building permit increases are good news
for Hants East and good news for the people in Nova Scotia that is an important statistic. (Applause) I have
been in business since I left university and I can tell you that when I see a statistic in Nova Scotia that there
has been 19 per cent increase in new businesses in this province there is the figures that tell you what is going
to happen over the next two years, there is your answer, don’t pay any attention to any of this other hogwash,
every time there are five businesses and next year there are six, then that tells you, people are prepared to
invest in this province, people know we are on the right track, they know we are going to get rid of this debt
and they don’t build businesses here if they think this place is going in debt. No one would do that. Would you
open up your business in a building and think that it is going to go bankrupt next week? That is why we didn’t
get business starts here over the last bunch of years and that is why we are getting business starts here right
now, 19 per cent that is quite a figure.



Some of the things this government has done, I don’t think there has been enough attention paid to
it. I can tell you this, when this government stepped in very boldly and said the provincial government should
not be taxing deed transfers in this province, when they stepped in and said, look, the municipal governments
as a source of revenue for many years have used municipal deed transfer taxes as a source of revenue for them
and then tried to come in and usurp it, take it away under the guise, we are only putting it in after your
$100,000 and of course, all houses become taxable at the sale level, this government stepped in and said, no
more. It is hard enough to build a house. It is hard enough to buy a house. It is hard enough for young people.
It is hard enough when senior citizens try to sell their homes, they invest.



A lot of the people in my community do not have great big retirement savings plans. They do not
have big pension plans. Their investment is in their home. They said to themselves, now how are we going
to look after ourselves when we retire? Well, what we are going to do is we are going to put our money into
our homes. We are going to improve them. We are going to keep them well-maintained. We are going to
acquire pieces of land as an addition, sometimes a woodlot as an aside so they can get some firewood instead
of having to worry about whether the oil prices go zing and zang.



These people have invested their savings in this type of investment. It is an investment that
traditionally Nova Scotians have felt has been secured and an investment that people feel is theirs. They did
it themselves. When we start adding a bunch of taxes on to the sale, thereby bringing their sale prices down
and driving the market away, especially from the rural communities, it hurts. This government had the guts
to come forward and just wipe it away.



There shall be no provincial deed transfer tax sales in Nova Scotia. That was a tactic that was
uncalled for. I remember appearing before that on the committee as a municipal lawyer at the time saying it
was wrong. I said it was wrong then. It was wrong then, we have changed it and this government deserves
the credit for doing it, Mr. Speaker. (Applause)



Mr. Speaker, the concept of public and private partnering. It is an interesting concept that has now
been put on paper and now we see it working. It is not like we are reinventing the wheel here. Public and
private partnering has been a concept since government began. I mean, that is what government began out
of, the concept of the public entity partnering with the private one. It just went away from us for the last 15
years. I guess that we forgot that that was a concept in existence. So now it strikes some people in government
as new. Well it is not new. We are getting back to basics. This is important and it is important to rural
communities because we just saw too many dollars going to great big outfits with fancy names, some of them
that had changed their name from a great big outfit before with another fancy name, then changed itself from
a great big outfit before with just as fancy a name as this one. They come out and get a whole bunch of money.
They are here today, gone tomorrow. That will not work.



I do not care, well I should not say I don’t care. I would love to see great big piles of jobs come
flipping in because the big corporations promise you the world, give you everything, take you nowhere. We
should have learned that. We have learned that. I am looking for the 5 jobs, the 10 jobs, you know the
applications when businesses come in and say, look, I am going to start up a business, I have three or four
people, but I am going to be here. I am from here. People know from here. People come and use me. They
know I am trustworthy. I can do it. I have got a record to do it, two, three, four jobs, over and over in the
communities.



That is where you get development of the small business entity. We are seeing that happen. I think
we have a record to be proud of, especially when you consider that our great brothers, the feds, they have got
a tough budgeting ahead of them. So they had to cut, for instance, our transportation subsidies. They had to
cut our natural resources. I have to tell you, we had agreements, some that we can maintain, some that we
cannot. But, for instance, when I see the ministers in this government able to hold the fort against these cuts,
once again, and that is integrity in its making.



Did you notice $11 million going into the RRAP Program? $11 million. We lost a lot of transfer of
funds down here for that type of sharing, yet we are holding the fort ourselves. This minister should be
congratulated; $11 million into RRAP Programs. The rural people, the urban people who are getting a little
bit beyond their working years, they are the ones who are going to benefit from this. I think any kind of
department that can hold its fort, especially with the cuts from the feds, deserves a great deal of credit. $11
million is going to go a long way and it is not just to help the people who own the houses. Where is this
money going? It is going to small contractors, small businessmen within the communities. They are going
to be able to keep their businesses going, expanded. Sometimes a new truck might be purchased. These are
important things, Mr. Speaker. They may not be important to ABC Limited that has 2,400 people spread
about God’s green earth. They may not care about the new truck and the one labourer who was supporting his
family and got laid off two months early because there was not any work, but it does to my community, and
I think it counts to most of the communities in Nova Scotia.



Did you notice, Mr. Speaker, that we had an incredibly successful program under the infrastructure
program? Did you notice how successful that was? A true partnership between the three levels of government.
Everybody whom I have talked to, everywhere, has always applauded this program. Now I hear some
grumblings from the Opposition. Well, come forward, say, no. For instance, the infrastructure money that
went into my district, come forward and say that was not good, that was bad, that my people didn’t want it.
State it for the record that it was bad and you don’t want it. I am sure there are ways to get around it. We can
have a look at it.



What is interesting here, Mr. Speaker, is that the municipal - I can speak for my riding and I can
speak for the ridings pretty close to me, too, to this extent - when the municipal governments put forward
these proposals, and they put them forward in the priorities that they felt were important, you just have a look
at the record, that is what they wanted, that is what they got. They are at the grass roots of this province, they
know what is there, they are closest to the people. They came to us, the feds came along, three governments
worked together, put people to work. No complaints. Big money, a lot of money, and it put a lot of people to
work.



I have not heard any of the municipal governments or the federal government members, or this part
of the provincial government members saying gee, that was bad. It was great, it was great news. I think this
government deserves credit.



You know most times, in the old days you spent a little money, you went out and would say it was
me, it was me. Three governments working together. Once again, the private partnership and public
partnerships. What about the people who are submitting applications for jobs under our new programs? They
are not writing in and saying hi there, I want you to hire me in your department X, Y or Z, give me a job
because I am a good fellow.



What they are doing now is going to employers and saying look, employer, if you hire me in a
permanent situation - or, for students, over the summer - hire me and the government will assist you, but it
has to be a real job, real work. In some of these programs it has to be permanent, long term even for the other
programs. It has to develop a skill, it has to be meaningful. It is not dig a hole and then, next summer, we will
hire a bunch of people to fill in that hole.



That is not the way we are doing it any more, it is real business. I can tell you, you can’t run a
government unless you run it like a business. It must be a business with a social conscience. It must be
conscious of the people within its society, but it must be a business. This is the first time anything has been
run like a business. It is going to work and it is working. Ask the people out there, they know it is working.



AN HON. MEMBER: Ask the seniors buying the fishing licenses this year, how they like it.



MR. CARRUTHERS: Now there is a good business point. There he is, right at the point again, we
are talking business and he is talking about fishing licenses. Hello, am I keeping you up over here? You have
to pay attention to what we are talking about. (Applause)



Mr. Speaker, what we have to do in this government is prepare our young people for the future. There
has to be a new look at how we prepare young people for the future. We cannot possibly continue to prepare
our young people in the same way as we did; it just can’t be done.



Now, I am getting some heckling over here. The boys want to know if they can get in Cabinet. Well,
you know, I have to let them know. You see, in this system of government you usually don’t get in Cabinet
unless you win the election, fellows. We won the election, we intend to win the next one, so it is going to be
quite some time . . . (Interruption)



But I will tell you something interesting (Interruption). Well, I must tell you this, my friend from
Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley is giving me a bit of a hard time here but I don’t blame him because I heard
he has been recruited from the Reform Party. He was at a meeting the other day and they are thinking that
he may run for the Reform Party. I was a little bit surprised to find out in Stewiacke he wasn’t running for
leadership and I think it is the reform and I am just advising the Leader of the Conservative Party.



MR. BROOKE TAYLOR: On a point or order, Madam Speaker. I would ask the honourable member
to withdraw that statement. I was not at any meeting yesterday where the Reform was soliciting votes.



[8:30 p.m.]



MR. CARRUTHERS: Madam Speaker, I must tell you, no, I didn’t say that Reform was soliciting
votes. I think the Reform member on the panel that was there and you were seated next to him said that he
was seeking to perhaps have you run for the Reform Party. Not seeking votes. I mean I was there, but I agree
with you. It is probably a losing venture. You should stay where you are. (Laughter)



MADAM SPEAKER: The honourable member has raised a point of order. While you’ve made an
interesting point I don’t think it is a point of order.



MR. CARRUTHERS: I do agree. I’ll try not to get side-tracked because I know my good friend for
Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley. We always like to rib each other. A good member, a very good member.



Madam Speaker, I was speaking about the education of our young people. I think it is important that
when we looked at the Throne Speech, for instance, the Minister of Education has pointed out there is a move
in the area of the high-tech school. Two new high-tech schools he’s talking about. That’s very impressive to
me and it is very impressive to those in rural communities that don’t have immediate access, for instance, to
university resources. Even in some of the larger community colleges we have no access to that.



In Hants East we don’t have universities. In Hants East we don’t have any of the community colleges
even. We have a couple of new schools coming to East Hants and I’m pleased to just point that out. The
minister has set out his timetable for construction. I’m very pleased about that. These two schools in Hants
East were a long time coming and I was really pleased to see that the minister came forward with the outline
for the timetable for their construction. It is something that we’ve waited for a long time and it is about time
it happened. It took this minister to shake off the doldrums and get this thing done. We’re very pleased about
it.



The technology that’s going into the new schools is going to have an effect on my schools in Hants
East, especially my new schools, because they are going to benefit from this new technology. I can tell you,
I have two young children now - one’s 12 and one’s 14 - the way that kids are being educated now and the
technology that’s in front of these children in Grades 8, 9, 7, these are things that are really quite bewildering.
I didn’t think I’d be saying that this early in life that I just can’t follow what they’re doing.



You walk in any business office now, Madam Speaker, and watch the machines, the technology. In
my practice in a rural community, there are more machines out there than you can shake a stick at. These
people must know how to use them, to use them properly, not just in typing little things but to understand the
concept, to understand the principles involved.



That means that we have to go into an educational system with a new concept in mind. The people
that come out of our system must be there to satisfy the job market and must have an overall educational
understanding of what they’re doing. Not just the regurgitating of the use of the machine, they must
understand it. That means a new role for our educational system. It is time to move ahead. I think this
minister is just the man for the job. This was a tough time over the last year. What kind of minister could have
done it better than the minister that we have? We’ve seen ministers in the past just dawdle along.



This is a time for change. We’ve done it. It is exciting. The kids are interested. The parents are
interested. Now for the first time parents of students at the local level are getting a feel for having control over
their own education. I heard a couple of speakers on the Throne Speech already saying these huge school
boards will lose touch, will have no control. You’ve got to read the paper. Read it. Understand what’s being
said here.



This isn’t a method of removing the parents from the local educational system. It is just the opposite.
It is putting it back in their hands. Read the thing. See where the local committees will be set up. They’re like
the local little school boards. They take the best of both worlds. The old red schoolhouse when you were
around and you knew what your own kid was learning and you had something to say about discipline and you
had something to say about what they were being taught. You had something to say about that. There’s that
plus the economics. The economics of numbers mean money. That’s the way it works. It is the best of both
worlds.



Stop looking at what could possibly be the worst and look at what the thing is saying. Educators
throughout this province are backing these changes. It doesn’t matter what political stripe you are and it
doesn’t matter how much you want to beef. Educators around these communities are backing these changes.
They are not backing them all. They are saying they would like to see some changes. They are not all in
unison. For instance, just like you could not get three lawyers to agree in a room. You are not going to get
three or four educators to agree on everything in a room either. (Interruption) That is true. My friend says you
could not maybe get two, but there is a certain concept that is accepted. Look, it is accepted to all the changes.



Do you think that it is not generally accepted that municipal reform had to take place? There had to
be some changes. Do you think it was not universally accepted that our health care system could no longer
continue in the method that it was going in the first place? You do not think that everybody in the educational
field did not realize there had to be some changes? Of course they do. There is going to be some disagreements
between any professionals, but they all agree the changes had to take place.



It took this government, this Savage Government to go ahead and make the changes. That is who
it took, and I think, Madam Speaker, you are starting to see it feed back now. They are starting to come
around. Remember that car, it is starting to feed back. I am feeling really excited about the next 12 to 18
months. We are going to be seeing some real growth in all of these fields and I can feel it now. Well, if my
Opposition friends would hope that it does not happen it is a real shame, you know. Everybody in this House,
all 52 of us, should be looking for good things for this province. (Applause) It is bad news to hope for bad
things.



Just looking locally, we are talking about the health care system. Few of the speakers here, a few
moments ago, mentioned the emergency services. Well, I want to tell you, remember when I was telling you
where my community is, well the other boundary of it is the Bay of Fundy. It goes all along the Bay of Fundy.
You know where the Bay of Fundy is? I think even some of my Opposition friends know where the Bay of
Fundy is.



If you happen to be on the shores or in the very centre of this rural part of my community, you are
a long way from a hospital, Madam Speaker, a long way. We are no longer away now than we were when the
previous government was in office.



I heard, for instance, the member for Hants West, rightfully so, congratulate a community that set
up the health clinic on the Kempt Shore. There are two clinics out there on that shore. Both of them made it
on their own and I agree with my friend from Hants West. I just want to mention that the Noel Clinic too, the
exact same thing developed, extremely well done. They did it without any financing from the provincial
government when they got started. They did it on their own. I feel that they are going to be supported by this
government and I am quite confident about that.



I can tell you this, if you happen to have a heart attack in the rural parts of my community, you want
to hope that ambulance is properly equipped and you want to hope that ambulance has people working in it
that know what they are doing. You want to hope that they can get ahead to the hospital and speak to the
doctor over the type of technology or they can get an answer to a question and immediate treatment and they
got things in that ambulance that are able to treat people. If they are going to be just put in a car and driven
to Halifax, for Heaven’s sake, we will call a taxi. What is the point of having an ambulance that can do that?



Madam Speaker, you will find the statistics prove over and over again. If you do not get to these
people and treat them in the first 15 to 20 minutes that is what is going to tell whether these people have a
high chance of success of surviving this trauma or not. It is not just heart attacks, it is all sorts of trauma. That
means we better have the best of emergency service equipment. I am looking forward to it. I know my people
are looking forward to it.



I just want a lot of people here to understand what it would feel like if you were an older person
living in a community in a snowstorm and you are miles and miles away from a hospital what it feels like
when you think that maybe the ambulance that will pick you up would not know what to do when they do pick
you up, that you might as well have called a cab or hopped on a bus. What am I talking about? There are no
buses in my area that come through. You just think about it and I am going to tell you, Madam Speaker, if
this minister puts proper ambulances out there that can get out there quick and can treat people immediately
that is worth a lot of hospitals. It is worth a pile of hospitals. In my district, we are looking forward to it.



This whole concept of the local boards, yet the regional boards, then you have the community boards
that are community centered, that know their health problems that are unique to their area. I can tell you,
Madam Speaker, I could go into many of the big medical offices in this city and into the hospitals in this city
and I know, I have been there. These people do not even understand where the community is. I have seen top-level health officials, who did not know that a community the size of mine, with 20,000 people, has no
hospital at all and none immediately close to it. It shocks them.



Well, it does not shock us. So, I think it is about time that we put community health care back to the
people. Another little thing about that, I cannot help but say this again. People do not want to stay in hospitals
longer than they have to. At least the people from my communities, do not want to be in the hospital longer
than they have to. They would love to get out of the hospital and back home and have the proper care there.
It is cheaper. It makes people happier. Happier people are healthier people. People are going to live longer.
So, I think keeping people back in their homes is a great idea.



I would like to see the board set up, you know, most of these people are volunteers, you know. They
are just swamping in to sit on these boards. They are excited about it. It is a concept they believe in. We don’t
even pay these board members. That is amazing in itself. I think we are going to have to look at that, to tell
you the truth.



Madam Speaker, I want to move on to my favourite subject, the question of highways in Nova Scotia.
Well, the Throne Speech has turned itself and pointed to a very important piece of highway in this province
that had to be twinned, the Highway No. 104. It is about time it was done, but it is indicia, that is the thing
that I am concerned about. Just how high on an agenda are the highways of Nova Scotia to this government?
I think that is what helps me. Because if highways were not important and were ignored from this Throne
Speech, I would be kind of set-back.



Madam Speaker, I think that there can be no greater issue of importance to the people of Nova Scotia
than the maintenance of their highway system. It has an effect on everything. You talk about emergency
health care. Well, unless your roads are safe, how can we have proper health care for emergency equipment?
So, this is an important issue. In my district, the roads have decayed so badly over 16 or 17 years, that some
of them are beyond repair. They may have to be, actually, the asphalt that is left, taken up. It would be actually
safer. I mean, that is hard to believe, but it would be safer to have the paved portion of the road taken away
and left as a gravel road.



So we have to look at what has happened. We have been here a year. You cannot keep blaming it on
the other guys. You have been here a year. Well, it has gotten better in the last year, Madam Speaker, it has
gotten better. At least in Hants East it has got better. There have been improvements. We have gotten a
minister that actually answers people’s questions. People write in and they want to know about this, they want
to know about that. They get their answers. This is the first time that has happened. It has never happened
before.



Madam Speaker, the people of Hants East don’t expect a great deal. They do expect to have the roads
fixed. It is going to take years to put my roads in order. God help me, I hope that I am still in this seat when
they are finally put back in order, because it is going to take a long time, they are so far behind. I can
remember one of my compatriots from the Progressive Conservative Opposition once said in this House, well,
if the member for Hants East back in those days had brought it to the minister’s attention they would have
fixed the road. Can you believe that, there wasn’t even a smile on the face, the grin didn’t break, the nose was
rather long but the grin didn’t break. Can you believe this? This is why I wanted to bring to the attention of
people, you can’t get to Truro without going through Hants East, you can’t get to Windsor without going to
Hants East, you have got to see it. My Heavens for 16 years, this is the old, well, I think it was a famous
Conservative politician that said see no evil, hear no evil and they didn’t tell anybody, not only that they
wanted to complain about the member for not bringing it to the atention of the Department of Highways, that
is pretty shocking.



[8:45 p.m.]



This minister knows, rest assured and I can tell you that for the members that aren’t in government
seats, I wish them to understand that the minister knows the situation of their roads too. I am sure that the
members will bring it to his attention but he knows anyway because that is his job, he is the Minister of
Transportation, he is supposed to know and this minister does know. I am sure you will bring it to his
attention if there is something wrong out there. Every so often I am sure that some of those ridings that
haven’t been fixed for 16 years who knows they may even have a crack on occasion that might need to get
filled. My roads are being improved, they have a lot of improvement to go, Madam Speaker, and I am looking
forward to the next two years to seeing those improvements. They are coming, there has been improvement.
It is not enough, we have to go further.



Madam Speaker, some times when we ramble about a number of subjects we kind of lose the focus
and I do that, I tend to ramble on occasion, perish forbid but I want to get back to the main focus of this
Throne Speech and the thrust to this government. There are other governments that are finally learning.
When we came into office here some 20 months ago, we told the people of Nova Scotia about the financial
mess that this place was in. In my view, if it was private it would have been bankrupted. The banks would
have pulled the plugs a long time ago. We told the people, but what happened. Well, the Opposition said,
don’t believe that, for years they have been blaming the previous government, we have been doing that for
years, don’t believe them. It is not that bad, it is really not that bad, they are just saying that so they can blame
the previous government.



You know the joke about the three letters and blaming the previous government, we have all heard
them. So, it was a kind of a hard sell to make people understand a real problem and chronic economic position
this province was in. All at once, Ralph Klein sees the light. Well, so he does it and all at once New
Brunswick does it, Ontario does it, B.C., they’ve discovered it but the real truth came down when the feds
finally said the exact same thing as we did, you can’t run a government on a deficit, you can’t do it. Now the
others have come along and now they are following in our footprint.



Do you remember that old red tide we talked about? Followed our footsteps then, they are going to
follow our footsteps now, the other governments are realizing it, the federal government is realizing it, maybe
now the Opposition might realize it, it is about time. The people in Nova Scotia they are realizing it because
everywhere I go, do you know what, they say you are doing the right thing.



Madam Speaker, this is not a time for weak-hearted politicians, this is not a time for weak-willed
politicians, this is a time for a Savage Government, it is a Savage Government that is not going to take one
step back, we made the changes in the first 18 months, we are going to implement the changes and we are
going to reap the benefit of the changes in the last 18 months of this government.



Madam Speaker, no time for weak people, onward and upward and no step back. You watch the
results come in, that car is just starting to start. (Applause)



MADAM SPEAKER: The honourable member for Guysborough-Port Hawkesbury.



MR. RAYMOND WHITE: Madam Speaker, through you to members of the Legislature, I would like
to introduce in the Speaker’s Gallery, Warden Hudson MacLeod, Municipal Clerk Mr. Shirley Nixon and Mr.
Gary Cleary, building inspector from the Municipality of the District of Guysborough. I would ask if they
would stand and receive the usual warm welcome from the House. (Applause)



MADAM SPEAKER: The honourable member for Pictou West. (Applause)



MR. DONALD MCINNES: Madam Speaker, it gives me a great deal of pleasure to stand tonight
to respond to this year’s Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne. As you well know, I represent the
constituency of Pictou West and I am honoured to do so.



I have a number of notes. I don’t want to bore you with too long a talk tonight. But just if I can,
Madam Speaker, the member for Hants East gave quite a speech here tonight and talked about the things that
their government did and what they ran on in the campaign of 1993. If I remember correctly, in 1993 that
Liberal Government ran on the fact that they were going to provide 63,000 new jobs, they were going to keep
the taxes down and so on and so on.



Anyway, I can say to you very sincerely, Madam Speaker, that as a politician for 17 years, I have
never had so many people come up to me and say, Donnie, what is that government doing? Liberals and NDP
people who have never ever spoken to me before about politics. They would talk, nice weather, nice summer,
bad winter, whatever, but they want to talk politics, they are interested in what is going on. I am standing here
telling you that you have made some health care changes and education changes and whatever; we would have
had to do some of those same things, municipal reform. I just hope that we would have been able to do them
better and in a classier way. Now, I just want to say that for my good friend who was not there.



As I said before, people from Pictou West have bestowed their faith in me for over five provincial
general elections spanning over 17 years. As you know, Pictou West comprises the Town of Pictou, as well
as many other well-known areas, such as River John, Caribou, Toney River, Abercrombie, Granton, Loch
Broom, Scotsburn, Durham, West River, Green Hill, Lyons Brook - a good place - and Alma. Did I mention
Seafoam? I think I did.



AN HON. MEMBER: You didn’t mention Lansdowne.



MR. MCINNES: Lansdowne is just on the corner.



Madam Speaker, I would like to provide you and all Nova Scotians with a little history of some of
those great places that you can visit any time while travelling through Pictou County. Pictou County itself is
an area covered by 1,116 square miles. The county has three scenic rivers; East River, Middle River and West
River, all, of course, which flow into Pictou Harbour and then out into the Northumberland Strait.






To start out at the outer end of my constituency, at River John, a fishing village made up of almost
500 people on the River John, at the head of John Bay. Of course lobster is the primary catch for fishermen
in this area. They do have a small fish plant, Cape John Seafoods, out at the end of Cape John, which
processes lobster, crab and herring, and will employ up to about 70 people for most of the summer and late
into the fall. This is a very important little industry. I would invite you all, if you are in the area, to drop in
and see Cape John Seafoods.



If you travel through River John you would also appreciate how well-known they have become for
their lobster suppers and chicken barbecues. St. John’s Anglican Church, steeped in history, is located in River
John and it was constructed in 1879. Of course, there are many fine beaches and two wharves in Cape John
and Skinners Cove and, as I mentioned, the lobster pound on the Cape John Road on the outskirts of River
John.



If you remember correctly, it was about this time last year that I encouraged the Minister of
Municipal Affairs to find funding available through the infrastructure agreement for a main sewage disposal
system in the Village of River John. The lack of a proper system has had a number of detrimental effects,
including raw sewage and run-offs from malfunctioning systems which flow directly into River John River.
Pollution of wells included those of the fire hall, drugstore, co-op grocery and the IOOF Hall.



The need for such a sewage disposal system was widely accepted as number one on the list of much
needed infrastructure projects in the Municipality of Pictou. I am very pleased that the Minister of Municipal
Affairs agreed with me on this issue. The fact is that it was announced last June, but tenders will be closed
on this project Wednesday, April 12th, at 3:00 p.m., and we hope that the tenders come in reasonable so that
we can get on and have this job completed. It is a large undertaking that will involve four submersible type
pump stations, a four cell sewage lagoon, sand filter, an access road, a control building facility housing
process, mechanical and electrical equipment.



So we move down along and we go through Melville, Seafoam and down to Toney River. I want to
talk a little bit about Toney River, which empties into the Northumberland Strait. Fishermen at Toney River,
which is, incidently, where you can see Prince Edward Island very clearly. It is only roughly 14 miles across
and on a nice day, it is a beautiful view across the Northumberland Strait. In Toney River, also, they gather
Irish moss which is used - something you may be aware of - for processing of a variety of products from
prescription drugs to ice cream.



Now, if you leave Toney River you travel down to Pictou to the Pictou Rotary on Highway No. 6. The
provincial government operates the Tourist Information Centre there, supplying valuable information about
our great province.



MADAM SPEAKER: Order, please. The honourable member has the floor. Carry on, I am just trying
to be able to hear you.



MR. MCINNES: You want them to listen. Well, I know they are all busy, but I am talking about that
great Town of Pictou. The member for Guysborough was born in Pictou and knows it is a good town.



As I say, then you have Caribou where, of course, the Caribou-Wood Islands ferry travels to P.E.I.,
which is the second largest entry point into Nova Scotia. The Northumberland Ferry service, of course,
provides many jobs for Pictou West, as does a provincial park in that area. I hope that the Minister of Natural
Resources will keep that park open.



From Caribou, I want to run up to Abercrombie where the population is almost 600 people and it is
the home of Scott Paper. Tours are held at the Scott Paper Plant and for those of you who have never visited
the Scott Maritimes Plant, I encourage you to do so at the earliest opportunity. While not known for sure, it
was likely Abercrombie was named after General James Abercrombie, who was killed at Bunker Hill during
the American Revolution of 1775. That is what they think.



Now, going back to the Town of Pictou which is, of course, one of the largest communities on the
Northumberland coast.



AN HON. MEMBER: It has a beautiful new marina.



MR. MCINNES: Yes. With a population of about 4,500, Pictou has a colourful history and a variety
of visitor services, including everything from museums to beaches. Pictou, as I am sure a lot of members will
know, is called the birthplace of New Scotland. The Clerk, he knows Pictou very well. It was in Pictou where
Nova Scotia’s first boatload of settlers, Highland settlers, 33 families and 25 unmarried men, landed from the
ship Hector to begin the wave of Scottish migration that has invariably had a major impact on the
development of the province.



In Pictou, you can find such historic places as the McCulloch House Museum built in 1806 as a
Sherbrooke Cottage. It is the former home of Thomas McCulloch, 1776 to 1843, one of Pictou’s illustrious
early residents. Mr. McCulloch founded Pictou Academy, once, and still is, a very well-known high school.



[9:00 p.m.]



Pictou, of course, has many old stone and wood buildings dating back to the early 1800’s. Buildings
that have been designated as heritage properties. The Canadian National Railway Station dates back to 1904
and today houses the Northumberland Fisheries Museum, home to the lobster racing boat the Silver Bullet.
Of course, the senior citizens use that railway station for their parties and entertainment. We have the deCoste
Entertainment Centre on Water Street in Pictou. It has one of the finest stages in the province and features
a wide variety of year-round entertainment.



Pictou is also the home of Grohmann Knives, manufacturer of the world’s famous Russell Belt knife.
You may have noticed, recently, feature on the Grohmann Knives and their business in a recent business
section story of The Globe and Mail which was telling about how they have been expanding and they are a
very small industry, but a very important industry to West Pictou.



I cannot leave Pictou without mentioning the Lobster Carnival which has been celebrated every
summer since 1934 and is held annually July 7th to July 9th, I believe are the dates. I am going to go to
Scotsburn which has a population of approximately 300 people who live in a fertile mix farming district
which, of course, is the home of one of the largest dairy processing cooperatives in Nova Scotia. That plant
has sales, as I have told you before, of over $160 million and is a very important generator of wealth in this
province.



Also, Scotsburn, is the home of Gammco Lumber, a stud mill which produces a lot of wood and then
we have George Childs, a fence post operation which is also important and he does some pulp shipping from
out of Pictou to foreign countries.



Another community in Pictou West is Loch Broom, so named because of its resemblance to Loch
Broom in the Northwest Highlands of Scotland. In 1787, one of the first churches in Pictou County was
constructed in Loch Broom and it was constructed of logs. It was 40 feet by 25 feet and the seats were slab
supports on blocks. An upper floor supported more seats and was reached by ladder; only the younger
members of the congregation used the church loft. The first church services were held in Gaelic.



It was back in 1973 that a replica of this early Presbyterian Church was built as a bicentennial
project. You can go there in the summertime and they do not have services every Sunday, but they do have
services there during the summer months on special days.



Durham, Pictou County, was the home of one of the oldest educational institutions in Canada. From
1848 to 1858, the Presbyterian College known as the West River Seminary. West River is located next to
Durham and is a farming district. In West River, on January 1, 1817, now you fellows listen to this, an
agricultural society called the West River Farming Society was formed in 1817.



In 1818, the society held the first plowing match in Nova Scotia. In 1919, this organization became
the Pictou Agricultural Society which still exists today and which I must say I am proud to say I am a paid-up
member. This society actually runs the Pictou-North Colchester Exhibition. That exhibition will be held in
Pictou from September 7th to September 10th and I might say that I sat in yesterday on a meeting that they
are planning to raise some funds for that exhibition. Because of the cuts in government programs they will
have a lack of about $10,000 in grants They’re going to have to do something to make up that money. So we’re
planning a very large auction and flea market in Pictou on July 15th, St. Swithin’s Day no less. That will be
at the Pictou Exhibition and I invite you all.



AN HON. MEMBER: St. Swithin’s Day. What day is that?



MR. MCINNES: That’s the day that if it rains, it will rain for 40 days and 40 nights. Okay?
(Interruptions) Madam Speaker, they’re trying to help me here. I want to go to Alma for a minute. Alma was
named after the place where the Allies defeated Russian troops in 1854 during the Crimean War. You know,
Pictou West is an absolutely fantastic place. We have great restaurants. I truly hope that all of you will take
the opportunity some time in 1995 to come over and check out some of the areas I have been referring to.



Now, tourism in this province is valued at about $900 million a year to Nova Scotia’s economy. My
constituency of course is on the Sunrise Trail. It is very important to us. Of that $900 million, Madam
Speaker, about $30 million of tourist money is spent on an annual basis. That’s 3.8 per cent of all tourism
receipts in Nova Scotia. That’s a lot of money and it is a lot of opportunity for small businesses in Pictou
County and a great employment generator.



Recent statistics indicate that 800 direct and 400 indirect tourism jobs are created annually in Pictou
County. Once again, many of these jobs are created in my riding. Those statistics also show a direct payroll
of $16 million and an indirect spinoff of $10 million in Pictou County. As I have mentioned, tourism is a $900
million a year industry to Nova Scotia and as some members have said already, it could be almost $1 billion
in 1995 if it is remotely close to 1994.



Upon becoming the government in 1993 the Liberals decided that Tourism should be joined with
Economic Renewal. I want to say that I have no quarrel with governments trying to put some departments
together. I think perhaps that’s right. Housing and Consumer Affairs were put together. I think that was a
really good deal and beneficial to both departments and there may be others. I won’t get into that. But I do
have great difficulty with the amalgamation of those two departments. As Tourism Critic for the Official
Opposition, I believe I should stress that it is one that should have been left on its own. It is simply too
important to be overshadowed by another department.



I want to congratulate the ministers that have recently been given new assignments by the Premier
and offer congratulations to the member for Halifax Needham on his appointment to the Cabinet as Minister
of Supply and Services. I know that the member will serve his people and the province well. I also want to
congratulate you, Madam Speaker, on your appointment as Deputy Speaker. You are the member for Bedford-Fall River and I know that from your experience in various organizations and stations you’ve held over the
years that you will be fair and you will do a good job. I congratulate you on that.



Back to Tourism with Economic Renewal. The new minister, I’m very pleased for the member for
Kings South. His predecessor recently announced that the government was looking for public input into the
development of a provincial nature tourism strategy. The present government enjoys criticizing the previous
government whenever possible. I understand that. But I do find it amusing to see them continue to develop
policies previously started by our government such as this one on nature tourism. I agree with the government
that Nova Scotian’s natural beauty was meant to be shared, not squandered, and with the idea that we want
to encourage tourism development.



We can to do this by aggressively pursuing American tourists, especially considering the value of the
Canadian dollar at the present time. You will remember me asking the minister questions in the fall and even
last year, to the Minister for the Economic Renewal Agency at the time, the member for Cumberland North.
I felt it was important for us to advertise in the United States because of the value of the dollar.



The initiative recently launched by the Atlantic Canada Tourism Partnership, ACTP, should pay
huge dividends for Nova Scotians. This campaign will focus on further developing the tourism market for
Atlantic Canada in the lucrative tri-state area of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. Ontario and Quebec
will also be targeted as key domestic markets. Promotion is essential. I congratulate Don Wilson, co-chair of
the Atlantic Canada Tourism Partnership and President of the Tourism Industry Association of Nova Scotia,
for playing a leading role in this initiative to bring tourists here to this province.



I do find it somewhat contradictory, however, for this government to be talking about taking
advantage of Nova Scotia’s natural beauty while, at the same time, implementing casinos along with
regulations that will, if left unchanged, make Halifax another Las Vegas. Nova Scotia does not need casinos
to attract tourists.



As the recession wound down, 1994 saw Nova Scotia experience a great tourism season. There was
a 26 per cent increase in requests to the Nova Scotia Information and Reservation Service and a 7 per cent
increase in room sales during the peak period from July through September. Tourists came to Nova Scotia
without the attraction of casinos. I am confident that they will return, not to play blackjack or roulette wheels,
but they will come back to Nova Scotia for its beauty. That is another reason why I wanted to talk about Pictou
and the things that are there. That is only one area; we have all the areas around the province, the Valley, the
South Shore, Cape Breton and whatever.



I do want to commend the government, Madam Speaker, for investing in a film sound stage for Nova
Scotia. The sound stage, as most are aware, is an indoor production facility which will allow film producers
to shoot scenes under controlled conditions. Dolores Claiborne, as was mentioned by some of my colleagues
earlier, was shot in Lunenburg County last summer. It was number three on the list of motion picture box
office favourites this past week. You simply cannot beat promotional coverage of our province by doing things
such as this.



I encourage the Minister for the Economic Renewal Agency to continue to promote Nova Scotia as
a prime location for motion pictures. There are numerous areas where motion pictures could be shot, including
the Annapolis Valley and, of course, Pictou County. Look at the history towns such as Pictou in my own area
and in the Annapolis Valley, Windsor, have to offer. Last year the film industry was a $36 million boost to
the Nova Scotia economy.



Now, Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about something that I don’t want to talk about but I have to talk
about because it is my shipyard in Pictou, which is closed down. I realize that the province was good and
stepped in and took over when Canada Shipbuilding and Engineering decided to pull out. And, as I am sure
you are well aware, the province owns Pictou Shipyards. I know that the Economic Renewal Agency has been
working hard to try and find a buyer.



It is a very important industry to Pictou. Our mayor has been dealing with the Economic Renewal
Agency on almost a daily basis because without that yard we are going to have a loss of almost $90,000 in
taxes this year and $136,000, unless a buyer is found. I am talking about the Pictou Shipyards and the minister
was out for a moment and I appreciate that but I just say to him and I am sure the former minister was very
helpful. I know the fishing industry is down but perhaps there is something - it may be all marine related -
that could go in there; it is an excellent plate shop, a bake shop that was put in five or six years ago, whatever.
I hope and I would help and be pleased to assist in any way possible to do anything that we can to look after
Pictou Shipyards.



[9:15 p.m.]



The Minister of Human Resources who was the former Minister of Labour and I have been talking
over the last year almost in regard to the Older Workers Adjustment Program for approximately 30 to 35 older
workers at Pictou Industries. The agreement I understand was signed between Ottawa and the province
probably in December however, I do understand that there is as yet no relief for these workers and it is just
unclear as to when this will become available. I know most of you know what that program is, but it is for an
industry that is shut down or not able to work, for laid-off workers aged 55 to 64 who appear to have little
chance of finding additional work. Workers can basically get up to about $1,000 if they are entitled.



I plan to ask the new Minister of Labour to look into this matter to see where the program is. I will
give him notice tonight that maybe later this week or even next week I will be asking in Question Period just
where they are in regard to this program because those people are getting pretty anxious; their unemployment
has been out for quite some time and it is an important matter that I hope the new Minister of Labour will look
into for me.



Trenton Works is located in the constituency of my colleague for Pictou Centre, of course, and all
of us in Pictou County are extremely pleased with the result of the government’s input and the former Premier
of this province, Mr. Regan, for his efforts in having Greenbrier Companies of Portland, Oregon take over
this plant. The work force that is expected to increase to almost 1,000 people and this is good for all of Pictou
County, no matter whether they are in Pictou East, Pictou Centre, or in my area. They are looking for all
kinds, hiring quite a few different workers, electricians, welders and labourers and requiring to build
approximately 1,000 new rail cars for the United States. I am very pleased and I would say any industry that
is doing well and it is only 15 minutes from where I live, after all it is across the causeway. Hawker-Siddeley,
as it used to be called, was always a good industry and one of the mainstays of Pictou County and it is just
great and I congratulate the government for their work in getting this in place.



I want to talk to the Minister of Transportation, through you, Madam Speaker, a little bit about the
twinning of Highway No. 104. Last year from Kemptown to Onslow the twinning was completed. In the fall
of 1994 and as I stated in the House at that time, I congratulate the government for getting that done and I
think it a great improvement. Any of us who travel that road certainly see the great safety it is; you come up
Kemptown and you are on the twin road and it is just great, you slip along and you are not worrying about
the cars coming at you, anyway.



I want to also say to the minister that I believe he called a tender very recently to finish the building
of the Pictou County portion from West River over past Salt Springs to South Mountain. That would complete
the construction of the twinning from, and, also, there is a tender out, I understand, for Kemptown itself.



The minister has said and his staff announced recently, that they hope that this portion of the
highway from Salt Springs to Kemptown would be completed and so you would be completed from Salt
Springs right through to Onslow and I congratulate the government. I think that it will be good for all of us.
It is good for all of the travellers, the tourists and it certainly makes some construction work. I know it costs
a lot of money per mile, but the safety over Mount Thom is one of the worst roads in Pictou County and in
the province, actually. We are very pleased to see that that is coming into place.



I want to just discuss, if I might, for a minute, Madam Speaker, with the Minister of Finance, the
question that I believe, on an issue that is right and something that should be done by the Minister of Finance,
and that is the harmonization of the provincial sales tax and the federal goods and services tax. I say this and
some of my colleagues may agree with me that I said it when Greg Kerr introduced it to us years ago when
this tax came in, that this should be harmonized. I still say it should be harmonized. I know we did not do it,
but I think it is an important issue and I think it should be revisited, because surely it would be simpler if there
were one tax and one inspector, that maybe we would be able to put it down. Maybe we can.



Well, I hope and I ask the minister to look at this because, as I say, I have always felt, from day one,
that it was just crazy to have two governments, the federal government and the provincial government, having
two slips. I know we have to have the tax. I am not saying that. I am just saying, let’s look at it and see what
can be done. (Interruption)



Madam Speaker, in the municipal reform, I understand that perhaps the minister will be introducing
the bill tomorrow and I guess I would have to say that I would be interested to see the bill, to see what all will
be in it, whether there will be social services, the welfare will be on the plate or not. I know that we, as a
government, had appointed Mr. Hayward to be the Commissioner to review the matter back in 1993 and that
now that he is out there and holding meetings, I am interested to know if his report came in, I did not see it,
or whether we are going to be able to see it before this bill is tabled. But I think it is something that we are
going to have to look at very carefully and I say to you, sincerely, that I think if we were the government, we
would, perhaps, have had to do it, I hope we would have done it a little slower and given the communities a
little more time to have input and to have a say in what is going to be done. I say a municipal service
exchange, which is out there, I have to say this. My Town of Pictou has very little finances, and it is going
to cost them $60,000. They do not have the taxes from the shipyard. It puts them in a very bad bind.



Another matter that I want to address very briefly is the matter of the court-house issue. The Minister
of Justice probably has just stepped out. But I do not think it is well thought out. We have, in Pictou, a
beautiful court facility that was just built within the last eight years or so. I hope that the minister, Mr. Gillis,
will continue to look at this again and revisit this matter because they are recommending right now that they
discontinue Provincial Court sittings in Pictou.



We, as the former government, had previously started a restructuring of the Nova Scotia court
system. It was abundantly clear that tax savings, cost savings, could be realized within the system. But, quite
frankly, I am not convinced that by moving the Provincial Court case load to New Glasgow or Tatamagouche
will be as cost-effective as the Minister of Justice or his government would have you believe. I say that
especially because of the fact that the court-house in Pictou is essentially brand new and paid for.



Madam Speaker, I was never elected by my constituents in the past 17 years by promising them the
world. I think the government did promise the world and didn’t have any intention - they may have had
intentions - but, whatever, they couldn’t deliver on those promises. The 1980’s saw governments from all
levels in the industrial world spend more than they should have. Nova Scotia was no different than Ontario,
Saskatchewan or the State of California. Governments tried to spend their way out of one recession but could
not pay that back before the second one hit in 1991.



Now, as many of our colleagues have said, as you in the House have said, you realize that you can’t
spend your way out, that less services must be delivered in a more efficient manner. We told the people that.
A former Premier of this province started on that and they voted against him. Their election campaign was
not on restraint at all. However, that is what they did.



Madam Speaker, as I said earlier, we would have done some of the things that were done. I stand
here and admit that, but I think we would have done them with a little more passion and dignity, that the
people of Nova Scotia could appreciate. As I said earlier, having been a provincial politician for 17 years, I
can honestly say that in the last year more people have asked me about this government and what they were
doing and what their plans were than in any other of the 15 years put together.



Anyway, Madam Speaker, I am honoured to have been a representative for Pictou for the last 17
years and will continue to do so to the best of my ability. I want to say that I will not be voting for the Speech
from the Throne. I thank you very much.



MADAM SPEAKER: The honourable member for Cole Harbour-Eastern Passage.



MR. DENNIS RICHARDS: Madam Speaker, to you and through you, I want to say to all members
of this Assembly that it is my honour and pleasure to participate in the Address in Reply to the Speech from
the Throne. I would like to thank you for the opportunity here this evening for this chance to speak.



Madam Speaker, I would also like to begin by thanking the residents of Cole Harbour-Eastern
Passage. My constituents continue to advise me of their concerns. I have committed to them my dedication
and determination that together, we will help our communities grow and prosper.



Our communities are gifted with many dedicated people who offer their time and energy to help
others, by way of their volunteer commitment. This month of April is set aside to recognize the many
volunteers and the work they do for the people of Nova Scotia. I am particularly proud, Madam Speaker, to
recognize one constituent of mine from the Cole Harbour-Eastern Passage constituency, Mrs. Carolyn Scott.
Mrs. Scott has been nominated and recognized by the county of Halifax as the volunteer of the year. She is
a lady who has, like so many others, been given a special recognition and to whom we owe a great debt of
gratitude and appreciation. At a more appropriate time, I will speak of Mrs. Scott’s work as a volunteer and
advise this House of her many activities.



[9:30 p.m.]



I believe 1995 will be a very good year for the residents of my constituency and for all of Nova Scotia.
The people that I represent understand that we are living in changing times. My constituency has and will
continue to see many changes. CFB Shearwater will not be the same type of base in the future as it has been
in the past. The closure of the Ultramar Refinery is difficult not only to understand, but it has had such a
devastating effect on the economy of the communities I represent. The loss of jobs in the groundfishery has
affected our people only financially but it has changed a way of life for so many of our people.



These and other issues will continue to bring challenges and opportunities to the way we live and
the way we are governed, the way we do business and even the way we spend our leisure time. Yet, Madam
Speaker, based on the Liberal Government’s success in dealing with the deficit this brings new optimism in
our ability to deal with the whole of Nova Scotia’s economy. Our Finance Minister, Bernie Boudreau will soon
bring in a budget that will show how effective our government has been in controlling our finances.



The people of Nova Scotia have told us over and over again that we must get our own House in order.
It now looks as though the province’s deficit will be less than $100 million in this coming year. Can you
imagine when we took office in 1993 the deficit for that operating year was hitting $470-some million and
climbing and in that short time since 1993 we have brought it down to less than $100 million. That is an
accomplishment that no other government in this country has been able to meet.



Keep in mind, Madam Speaker, Nova Scotia has not had a balanced budget since 1978. The last time
a Liberal Government, by the way, was in power. What does this really mean in today’s terms? This means
we will only be spending the amount of money we collect in revenue. As I have said so often, Nova Scotia has
lived too long beyond its means. How many of us would have to declare bankruptcy if we spent more money
than we earned? Well, that is what has gone on in Nova Scotia, during the 15 years of the previous
administration. In fact, we are now obligated to pay more on debt charges than we do on education and I think
that is a sorry statement to have to make but it is one of the legacies that we inherited from the previous
administration.



I think we can do better than that. I believe we should first learn to live within our means and then
with the money we have, deliver the best programs possible for the people of Nova Scotia. Prudent spending
and the resulting fiscal position have made possible many significant economic benefits for both Cole
Harbour-Eastern Passage and throughout our province. One example is in tourism, 1994 was a banner year
in tourism for Nova Scotia and 1995 has all the makings of bypassing last year’s record. This boost in tourism
will impact the communities of Cole Harbour-Eastern Passage and for that matter all of our province.



Madam Speaker, the Shearwater International Air Show has long been recognized throughout the
world as one of the main events to follow in our province. Each year, Eastern Passage has been in the unique
position to attract thousands of people to the Shearwater International Show. In addition, I am pleased to
recognize that the Canadian Armed Forces at CFB Shearwater have been an integral part of the everyday
fabric of our community, both as a major employer and as a financial stimulant to the economy.



Madam Speaker, in January of this year, the President of the International Motor Sport Association
and the Moosehead Grand Prix President announced that the Moosehead Grand Prix has been added to the
1995 IMSA schedule and that the Moosehead Grand Prix will be run at CFB Shearwater. It is anticipated that
the International Motor Sport Association will attract some of the biggest names in the car racing industry
and will bring thousands of people to our communities.



With the American Television Network, ESPN, which will televise and carry this race, our province
and the communities I represent will all gain from this significant notoriety. In June of this year, the world
will look at Nova Scotia as the leading industrial nations meet for the Halifax Summit. It is anticipated,
Madam Speaker, that every available hotel and motel in the metro area and the surrounding area will be used
for this Summit, along with all the region’s leading meeting spaces.



Madam Speaker, although the seven leaders, including Russia’s Boris Yeltsin, will be the focus of
the Summit, an estimated 7,000 media and entourage members are expected as well. Can you imagine the
impact that is going to have on our economy? When those people come here they will not be looking at the
laughter from the Opposition, they will be looking at the benefits that our communities have to offer. In
addition to the economic boost to our local economies, the province will anticipate significant international
exposure for tourism and business opportunities. The metro area will invest heavily into the preparations for
the Summit for the expected people who will not only be part of the Summit, but are here with all of the
Summit activities.



The Nova Scotia Marketing Agency has encouraged communities like Cole Harbour and Eastern
Passage and Cow Bay to welcome all new visitors. The world will be focusing on the surrounding
communities, not just the City of Halifax, to discover our heritage, our homes, our buildings and businesses
and, most importantly, the beauty that our province has to offer.



Interestingly, Madam Speaker, the Halifax Summit has brought about a great deal of collaboration
on the part of the federal, provincial, and municipal governments. This is another clear example of how a
cohesive, amalgamated effort can efficiently benefit all of our region. It is one of the many reasons that our
government, in the fall of 1994, announced its intention to establish a regional municipality in the metro area.



Madam Speaker, over the years, individuals, organizations and the business community cited the
economic benefits of a regional government. Amalgamation has been an issue whose time has come. All
studies have, in one form or another, encouraged the merging of the metropolitan area.



Madam Speaker, finally, after the multitudes of studies, now is the time for government, in
consultation with the current officials and the public to work out these fine details. Throughout 1995, the
coordinator, Mr. Hayward, will continue to meet with community groups, municipal representatives and
others to remove the duplication and the needless competition for business and to cement an economic base
for this new municipal unit.



Mr. Speaker, the metro region has a well educated labour force. We have the world first class
academic institutions. We have a deep, sheltered harbour and with year-round shipping and competitive
transportation and communication links. All of this make metro a most desirable place to live, to work and
to invest. The region lacks one major component for success and that is unity. This government, under the
leadership of our Premier, is committed to improve the economic well-being of this area and to help return
it to the business centre of Atlantic Canada.



Action is necessary now, Mr. Speaker, to make certain that the metro area is as competitive as
possible to attract new business. Since our government has taken power in 1993, the unemployment rate has
steadily declined. It is the most aggressive employment statistic in all of Atlantic Canada and now we rank
second in all of Canada in terms of job creation.



Mr. Speaker, these jobs are primarily in the private sector, both in new businesses and expansion of
existing businesses. This is the type of job creation that this government talked about during our campaign.
Throughout the past year there has been over 17,000 new jobs created in Nova Scotia. I am confident that this
government will continue to create an environment for further job creation.



Mr. Speaker, I would like to emphasize that the fiscal realities demand that our government spend
tax dollars in a more business like fashion, offering the taxpayer the best value for his or her dollar. During
the past year, the provincial Liberal Government has spent very wisely, helping to reduce the deficit and make
possible tax breaks, all of which are good for our economy.



The record that we have been able to make in the past year and one-half since assuming power has
been a very aggressive one. We have made decisions, Mr. Speaker, that have not always been the most popular
from the public’s point of view. However, they are decisions that will lead us into a return for Nova Scotia to
be the leader of Atlantic Canada in business activity.



These are decisions based on government reform that have been known for many years.
Unfortunately, the determination and the dedication necessary to carry them through has not been in the
previous administration and they allowed our government, our province and the people to deteriorate, to reach
a deficit and a debt that now is at a staggering level. We have to continue to improve. We have to continue
to work together. We have to continue to make those hard decisions that until now have been avoided by
previous administration.



Looking back, Mr. Speaker, I believe 1994 will be a year remembered as a turning point in Nova
Scotia’s history. Recognizing this, I think we can embrace 1995 with a very renewed confidence that Nova
Scotia is on the road to recovery, on the road to bringing us back to where our proud people have once stood
and we are proud to be members of this government who have taken those bold steps. Thank you. (Applause)



[9:45 p.m.]



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Timberlea-Prospect.



MR. BRUCE HOLLAND: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to reply to the
Speech from the Throne. It is indeed an honour to again rise from my seat here in this hallowed place and
speak on behalf of our government’s direction in government. I want to add my thanks to His Honour the
Lieutenant Governor for giving our speech on behalf of the government. He is indeed worthy of his high office
and has demonstrated this through his delivery of the Speech from the Throne and the many activities he has
undertaken to date on behalf of the people of the Province of Nova Scotia.



I’d prefer not to go too far into my speech tonight. Whereas the hour is drawing nigh I will speak a
bit longer (Interruptions) My colleagues are asking me to adjourn, but I will go a little longer, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you.



I’d like to give sincere thanks to my wife, Vicki, and my children, Nicole, Lindsay and Jeremy who
are very supportive of my time that I spend here in this House. Mr. Speaker, to my mother and father, who
were perhaps my biggest supporters and who are always there to encourage me and edge me on, I want to
extend my sincere thanks to them as well.



Mr. Speaker, I would also like to extend my congratulations to my colleagues who have been
assigned new duties in the House and with the government. I know they will carry out these duties and in
doing so they will add honour and dignity to their respective positions. That is what I believe public office is
all about. We often lose sight of the honour that’s bestowed upon us by the people who put us here, the people
in our constituencies that elect us. When I was elected by the good people of Timberlea-Prospect almost two
years ago I understood this commitment that the people had made to me. In turn I hope that I have kept my
end of the bargain and kept up my commitment to them.



The achievements of our government, Mr. Speaker, over the past two years have been quite
remarkable and I’m sure that in the next two years and in the future of this province they will yield even
greater results. I’m confident that Nova Scotia is on the verge of an economic breakthrough. We see this all
the time in the recent days. I don’t want to be too overly optimistic, but there is a change in attitude among
the people, a change in attitude among businesses. That has been seen for a number of months now. In just
a few short months Halifax will be hosting the leaders of the most powerful nations on the earth. We’ve come
a long way in just a short two years to be able to host such a wonderful event.



This brings me to an item of particular concern to residents in my riding that I’d like to discuss. In
terms of roads, we have Prospect Road which goes to Peggys Cove, which is travelled by literally hundreds
of thousands of people each year, the second most visited tourist site in Canada next to Niagara Falls. I would
hope that the City of Halifax will see fit to look after their portion of the road prior to the G-7 coming to
Halifax. I know it is going to bring a lot more tourists. Not only for the tourists’ sake but for the sake of the
people that live on the Prospect Road. Ten thousand people a day travel back and forth on this road, Mr.
Speaker. This is an item that I would hope will be addressed.



Mr. Speaker, when we talk about the G-7 coming and the enthusiasm that we see in this province
today, I think we can look back at the unemployment rate that we had in this province a short time ago. You
know 21 months ago it was up over 14 per cent. Now it is down below 12 per cent. That doesn’t seem like a
large number in terms of percentages, but when you look at the total number of people that represents in terms
of people now working who were not two years ago. That is a dramatic change, one that I am proud of, one
that is a direct result of the ministers who sit in the front benches, the support they get from their colleagues,
the backbenchers. I am very proud to say that this change is happening.



Beyond that, we see the change in the number of building permits. These all seem remote types of
statistics that we talk about, but it is an indication of the change in the economy, a change in the attitude of
people.



AN HON. MEMBER: Confidence.



MR. HOLLAND: It is confidence, that’s right, my honourable friend from Canso says it is
confidence, and it is confidence. People are becoming confident in the government, not only in the
government but also in what the government is doing. The elimination of the provincial deed transfer tax,
these are things that people walk up to you on the street and say, why didn’t they do it before? (Interruptions)



Well, you know, the honourable members on the Tory benches laugh, but it is these kinds of things,
these little things that they neglected, Mr. Speaker, and that is why they are sitting in the Opposition benches
and are no longer the government.



Mr. Speaker, I am confident that Nova Scotia is experiencing a breakthrough. My Tory friends seem
to like to live in the past. But their mistakes can be forgiven in this Chamber. We all know they made
dramatic mistakes, but I don’t think the people of Nova Scotia are going to forget very easily what they did
in the past. They will have long memories about the mess they made of this province. They can forget any
delusions of higher office for a long time to come.



Mr. Speaker, it is our government, under Premier John Savage, the Premier of this Province, who
has done great things for Nova Scotia in the last two years and will do even better things in the future. Some
of the things on this list include: Sysco, the highest employment level since it was modernized; Stora Forest
Industries, back from the brink, 2,000 jobs maintained; Trenton rail cars, 750 jobs maintained. These are
industries that had no future under the Tory Government, none whatsoever. I wish they would stand up and
admit their mistakes so that the people of Nova Scotia can forgive them. Decisive action by our government
has saved these jobs and maintained the important manufacturing sector of our economy. (Applause)



Mr. Speaker, we cannot abandon these industries that have provided stability for our province in the
past and will provide stability in the future. This is no less true than in the fishery. The collapse of groundfish
stocks has not meant the end of fishing in our province. Don’t laugh, because it was a Tory federal Fisheries
Minister who did nothing to protect the fisheries in this province. (Interruptions) (Applause) That’s true, three,
not one but three.



AN HON. MEMBER: Three blind mice.



MR. HOLLAND: The collapse of the groundfish fishery has still impacted heavily on the coastal
areas in my riding. One thing I am pleased to say is that the fishermen in my area have not let that beat them.
They have turned to other species, they are doing other types of fishing in hopes that that groundfish fishery
will come back. (Interruptions) Yes, agreed, agreed, I could not agree more. The Honourable James Barkhouse
has supported those fishermen every step of the way, Mr. Speaker.



Mr. Speaker, the most exciting part of our government’s Speech from the Throne is its continued
commitment to aid both the public and private sector development of information technology. Many people
see this as a great opportunity for growth in this province, by attracting industries that are going to be here
for a long time, creating good paying jobs. There are many areas of exciting progress in this field and we as
a province and as a people are excited about revolutionizing every aspect of our lives so that they may be
enhanced. This will be done by developing those technologies. I foresee a day when a doctor will be able to
relay information to an injured person in Terence Bay or Shad Bay or in Timberlea or Hammonds Plains so
that that patient may receive the care that he needs immediately upon emergency services arriving to that
patient. That’s the technology that we’re looking at that we can develop and create and sell to other parts of
the world. That is a very exciting area that I look forward to and hope that I can in some small way add to the
development of those areas.



Most of all, Mr. Speaker, we must prepare our children for school by taking an active interest in their
education. We see this philosophy from the Minister of Education. I have had people come up to me in my
riding before I was even involved in politics and say, I only wish that I had the ability - I have the ability, I
only wish that the school board would allow me to participate in the development of my child’s education
(Interruptions) Well, you may think it is strange, but I’ll tell you one thing. They’re happy now that they are
getting that opportunity. They’re looking forward to it. Really it is not something new. I know when I was
going to school my parents were directly involved in the development of what was taught in the school and
how it was taught and how the school was developed and additions to the school and all that stuff. That was
somehow taken away and done by bureaucrats over here. But the people want to participate in that process.
I’m happy that we’re going to be going back to that process.



I have a considerable amount more to say, Mr. Speaker, but given the hour I would move that we
adjourn for today and I’ll continue tomorrow.



MR. SPEAKER: The motion is that the debate on the Address in Reply to the Speech from the
Throne be now adjourned.



The motion is carried.



The honourable Government House Leader.



HON. RICHARD MANN: Mr. Speaker, I can advise members that we’ll be sitting tomorrow from
the hours of 2:00 p.m.to 6:00 p.m. The order of business following the daily routine and Question Period, we
will resume the adjourned debate on the Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne.



I move that we adjourn until 2:00 p.m. tomorrow.



MR. SPEAKER: The motion is that the House do now rise to meet again tomorrow afternoon at the
hour of 2:00 p.m.



The motion is carried.



[The House rose at 9:58 p.m.]






NOTICES OF MOTION UNDER RULE 32(3)



HOUSE ORDER NO. 1



By: Mr. Robert Chisholm (Halifax Atlantic)



I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move that an order of this House do issue for a return
showing, with respect to the Department of Human Resources:



(1) Data showing the number of layoffs of bargaining unit and excluded civil servants for the
period May 26, 1994 to the date of this return, showing a breakdown of layoffs, placements, retirements/other
and total net layoffs; and



(2) Data showing the number of layoffs of probationary/non-civil service/or departmental
appointees for the period May 26, 1994 to the date of this return, providing the same breakdown as specified
above.



HOUSE ORDER NO. 2



By: Mr. Terence Donahoe (Halifax Citadel)



I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move than an order of this House do issue for a return
showing, with respect to the Nova Scotia Department of Education:



(1) Description and mandate of the Department of Education’s new community-based literacy
programs;



(2) Number of programs to receive funding under the program up to and including April 3,
1995; and



(3) Individual breakdown of projects awarded funding on a county by county basis.



HOUSE ORDER NO. 3



By: Mr. Donald McInnes (Pictou West)



I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move that an order of this House do issue for a return
showing, with respect to the Nova Scotia Economic Renewal Agency:



(1) A detailed copy of expenses incurred by the member for Lunenburg on her recent trip to
Scotland to attend a photographic exhibit at the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh including all
travel, accommodations and meals;



(2) A list of names of the individuals who accompanied the member for Lunenburg along with
a detailed copy of their expenses including travel, accommodations and meals and duties they were required
to perform while in Edinburgh;



(3) A detailed job description of the legislative assistant for Tourism; and



(4) Budget allocated to the legislative assistant of Tourism.



HOUSE ORDER NO. 4



By: Mr. George Archibald (Kings North)



I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move that an order of this House do issue for a return
showing, with respect to the Nova Scotia Economic Renewal Agency:



(1) A list of employees, their start date and terms of employment and their rate of pay in the
Office of Business Advocate; and



(2) A copy of the monthly reports given to date to the Minister of Economic Renewal from the
Office of Business Advocate.



HOUSE ORDER NO. 5



By: Mr. George Archibald (Kings North)



I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move that an order of this House do issue for a return
showing, with respect to the Nova Scotia Economic Renewal Agency:



(1) Total number of staff employed in the Community Business Loan Program of the Nova
Scotia Economic Renewal Agency;



(2) Number and copy of all loan applications submitted to the Economic Renewal Agency’s
Community Business Loan Program between September 1, 1993 and April 3, 1995;



(3) A copy of all approved loan applications, the dollar value and a breakdown of individual
jobs created under each project through the Community Business Loan Program between September 1, 1993
and April 3, 1995; and



(4) Amount of loan approvals broken down on a county by county basis.



HOUSE ORDER NO. 6



By: Mr. Brooke Taylor (Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley)



I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move that an order of this House do issue for a return
showing, with respect to the Nova Scotia Department of Justice:



(1) Job description of Nova Scotia’s Chief Firearms Officer; and



(2) Job classification of Nova Scotia’s Chief Firearms Officer through the Nova Scotia
Department of Human Resources.



HOUSE ORDER NO. 7



By: Mr. Brooke Taylor (Colchester-Musquodoboit Valley)



I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move that an order of this House do issue for a return
showing, with respect to the Nova Scotia Department of Supply and Services:



(1) A detailed costing of what the lease at Torrington Place in the Burnside Industrial Park cost
the Department of Natural Resources in the 1993-94 and 1994-95 fiscal years;



(2) A costing of the necessary renovations undertaken at Founders Square to accommodate the
move of staff effective December 1, 1994; and



(3) A costing of what the additional 6,000 square feet at Founders Square will be leased for by
the Department of Natural Resources.