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HALIFAX, FRIDAY, JANUARY 20, 1995



Fifty-sixth General Assembly



Second Session



8:00 A.M.



SPEAKER



Hon. Paul MacEwan



DEPUTY SPEAKER



Mr. Gerald O’Malley






MR. SPEAKER: Order, please. I will call the House to order at this time. We will commence with
the daily routine.



PRESENTING AND READING PETITIONS



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Halifax Atlantic.



MR. ROBERT CHISHOLM: Mr. Speaker, I have a petition that was presented to me yesterday. It
has 107 signatures from nurses from the Halifax Infirmary. It represents signatures that were collected during
the 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. shift at the Infirmary. It raises concerns with the proposed amendments to Bill No.
122, the Workers’ Compensation Act, and I have affixed my signature to the same.



MR. SPEAKER: The petition is tabled.



The honourable Minister of Health.



HON. RONALD STEWART: Mr. Speaker, I beg leave to table a petition, to which I have affixed
my signature, from 48 medical students at Dalhousie University concerning the imposition of a smoking ban
on all public places in Nova Scotia.



MR. SPEAKER: The petition is tabled.



PRESENTING REPORTS OF COMMITTEES



TABLING REPORTS, REGULATIONS AND OTHER PAPERS






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STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS



GOVERNMENT NOTICES OF MOTION



INTRODUCTION OF BILLS



NOTICES OF MOTION



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Hants West.



RESOLUTION NO. 1537



MR. RONALD RUSSELL: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas considerable concern exists among Dartmouth City councillors over plans for a proposed
new water treatment plant in that city; and



Whereas Dartmouth City Council is considering going it alone and building a new treatment plant
but is unclear as to what would happen to it upon the formation of a new regional government in metro; and



Whereas if a decision is made to proceed with constructing a new water treatment plant, a consultant
has said that assurances would have to be given to ensure a new regional government will not block the deal;



Therefore be it resolved that the member for Dartmouth North and also this province’s Minister of
Municipal Affairs undertake to clear up this confusion surrounding metro amalgamation so that residents in
the City of Lakes, including her own constituents of Dartmouth North, can look forward to safe drinking water
on a continued basis in the not too distant future.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Halifax Atlantic.



RESOLUTION NO. 1538



MR. ROBERT CHISHOLM: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the Kentville Advertiser asked its readers to phone in their view on the Liberal
Government’s plan to introduce casino gambling; and



Whereas the newspaper summarized the response as, “No, no and no again!”, reporting 99.9 per cent
against establishing casinos in Nova Scotia, with, “. . . phones rang constantly throughout last week.”; and



Whereas the Advertiser summarized this as, “. . . a powerful comment from this region.”, and asked,
“Is the Provincial Government listening?”;



Therefore be it resolved that the Environment Minister and other Liberals should find enough
courage to represent their constituents on this issue, recognizing that if they do so, only a small rump of casino
Liberals may remain. (Interruptions)



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Halifax Fairview.



RESOLUTION NO. 1539



MS. ALEXA MCDONOUGH: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move
the adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas on June 9, 1994, the Premier told the Committee on Supply that lists of appointees to boards
and commissions are, “. . . regularly returned to Cabinet members because they don’t contain 50 per cent
women.”; and



Whereas somehow this vigilant Cabinet forgot to send the name of loyal Liberal Don Valardo back
to the Municipal Affairs Minister, although his appointment reduced the proportion of women on the
Municipal Finance Corporation board to one out of seven; and



Whereas affirmative action only seems to work in favour of well-connected Liberals, never against
them, or else the 50 per cent rule was then, and this is now;



Therefore be it resolved that the Premier should carry out the self-congratulatory commitment he
made seven and one-half months ago, and send back non-equitable appointment lists.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Kings North.



RESOLUTION NO. 1540



MR. GEORGE ARCHIBALD: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move
the adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the audiences continue to grow at Liberal constitutional review commission meetings, with
the largest audience to date turning out in Kentville (Interruptions) Wednesday evening to express their views
on the Premier and leadership of the Liberal Party; and



Whereas the majority of the 163 Liberals, despite what members of the government caucus want
done, supported a July review of the Premier’s leadership; and



Whereas when asked what the chances were of the government being re-elected with John Savage
as Premier, one Liberal Party member answered, two - slim and none;



Therefore be it resolved the Premier begin to understand if he does not already, as most Nova
Scotians know, that with Liberals as friends, you don’t need enemies.






MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable Leader of the Opposition.



RESOLUTION NO. 1541



MR. TERENCE DONAHOE: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas New Brunswick Premier Frank McKenna has solicited yet another 75 jobs to New
Brunswick, this time all the way from Phoenix, Arizona, bringing the New Brunswick Premier’s job creation
total to 1,000 in the first two weeks of 1995; and



Whereas a recent media report described the New Brunswick Premier as having developed a powerful
customer-oriented marketing and sales approach, highlighted by a pro-business attitude; and



Whereas the best Nova Scotia’s Minister for the Economic Renewal Agency has been able to do since
taking office in June 1993, is drive approximately 500 high-tech Royal Bank jobs away from Nova Scotia
while creating a limited amount of winter jobs in selected areas of Nova Scotia starving for work;



Therefore be it resolved that the Premier and his Minister for the Economic Renewal Agency bring
forth a master plan for employment and begin competing with their New Brunswick counterpart instead of
constantly being left behind in a cloud of dust.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Halifax Atlantic.



RESOLUTION NO. 1542



MR. ROBERT CHISHOLM: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the Municipal Affairs . . .



MR. SPEAKER: Order, please. There is too much catcalling, I want to hear the honourable member
for Halifax Atlantic.



MR. CHISHOLM: Whereas the Municipal Affairs Minister has ordered that no severance be paid
to long-time Glace Bay employees, protesting that, “this is taxpayers’ money”; and



Whereas she went further, writing, “that a public perception of fraud or corruption could readily arise
should surely never have been ignored”; and



Whereas the minister has never expressed such concerns about her own actions during the past year,
nor about the millions of dollars in severance payments to Lucy Dobbin, Neale Bennet and many others;



Therefore be it resolved that this government should be just as strict, upright and careful with
taxpayers’ dollars as it demands that municipalities be.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



AN HON. MEMBER: Was that for or against the guys in Glace Bay?



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Pictou Centre.



RESOLUTION NO. 1543



DR. JOHN HAMM: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the adoption
of the following resolution:



Whereas the recent review into the Lunenburg Family and Children’s Services Agency recommended
the case load of social workers across Nova Scotia be reduced, so there will be a far less chance of anything
such as the situation in Lunenburg ever happening again; and



Whereas the stress level among Nova Scotia’s social workers is considered high when they have an
average case load of 20 or more; and



Whereas based on September 1994 statistics released in early November by the Department of
Community Services, the average case load for Colchester County social workers involved with child
protective services was 29.2;



Therefore be it resolved that the Minister of Community Services not allow the present situation to
become any more stressful and despite budgetary restraints begin working towards a reduced and not an
increased case load for Nova Scotia’s social workers.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable Leader of the Opposition.



RESOLUTION NO. 1544



MR. TERENCE DONAHOE: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move the
adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the Liberals focused on job creation during the 1993 election campaign saying, “We have
the plan to put 63,000 Nova Scotians back to work”; and



Whereas the most startling revelations coming forth from members of the Legislature for Cape
Breton are comments such as, “the obvious cause of unemployment is that people have no jobs”, which can
be read in the Cape Breton Post edition of January 13th; and



Whereas Nova Scotia’s Minister of Finance less than two years after saying his government had the
plan to put 63,000 Nova Scotians to work is quoted in the Cape Breton Post on January 9th as saying,
“unemployment in Cape Breton is a serious problem and unfortunately, it is a very, very difficult problem to
deal with”;



Therefore be it resolved that members of the Legislature for Cape Breton revisit the pledges they
made during the 1993 election campaign and come up with creative long-term employment projects for the
people they represent.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



The honourable member for Halifax Fairview.



RESOLUTION NO. 1545



MS. ALEXA MCDONOUGH: Mr. Speaker, I hereby give notice that on a future day I shall move
the adoption of the following resolution:



Whereas the Premier has, with the help of his $300,000 a year staff trio, told Nova Scotians that in
Davos, Switzerland, he will, “be able to establish personal contact with some of the world’s foremost business
leaders”; and



Whereas the Prime Minister of Canada and the Chinese Government are still recovering from
“personal contact” with the Premier, on the human rights issue in Beijing last fall; and



Whereas the Nova Scotia Liberal Party is today reaping the harvest planted by the Premier’s first-hand “personal contact” with grass roots Liberals throughout the summer of 1994;



[8:15 p.m.]



Therefore be it resolved that the Premier should spare Nova Scotians from the usual effects of his
personal contact with others and avoid issuing news releases about his personal contact with such foremost
business leaders as Dr. Louis Berger, founder of the Berger Group.



MR. SPEAKER: The notice is tabled.



That brings the daily routine to a conclusion, unless there is additional business to be introduced
under that heading. If not, we will advance to Orders of the Day.



ORDERS OF THE DAY



GOVERNMENT BUSINESS



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable Government House Leader.



HON. RICHARD MANN: Mr. Speaker, I would move that you do now leave the Chair and the House
resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole House on Bills.



MR. SPEAKER: The motion is carried.



[8:16 a.m. The House resolved itself into a CWH on Bills with Deputy Speaker Mr. Gerald O’Malley
in the Chair.]



[4:00 p.m. CWH on Bills rose and the House reconvened with Deputy Speaker Mr. Gerald O’Malley
in the Chair.]



MR. SPEAKER: Order, please. The Chairman of the Committee of the Whole House on Bills reports:



THE CLERK: That the committee has met and begs leave to sit again.



MR. SPEAKER: Is it agreed?



It is agreed.



The honourable Government House Leader.



HON. RICHARD MANN: Mr. Speaker, on Monday we will be sitting from the hours of 2:00 p.m.
until 10:00 p.m. The order of business following the daily routine will be Committee of the Whole House on
Bills and Bill No. 122.



I move that we adjourn until 2:00 p.m. on Monday.



MS. ALEXA MCDONOUGH: Mr. Speaker, on a point of privilege. I have had three separate
approaches in the last couple of days from people who were complaining of having phoned in an attempt to
reach their MLA here at the House and being told that messages would not be taken for their MLA because
there is a concerted labour campaign underway to tie up the phones at the Legislature.



Mr. Speaker, I have to say that I have certainly satisfied myself as has my colleague, the member for
Halifax Atlantic that those are not the instructions that have been given to staff and that staff, to the best of
anyone’s ability, have not been, in fact, giving that misinformation out. But there have been three separate
people who have been treated in that manner on the other end of the phone.



For the record, I would raise that point of privilege, because I think it is an important privilege of
members of this House to be accessible to their constituents and an important privilege of constituents in a
democracy to have access to their members.



I would ask for the assurance from you, Mr. Speaker, that any such impediment to that kind of access
between members and their constituents is, in fact, removed.



MR. SPEAKER: The honourable Government House Leader.



HON. RICHARD MANN: Mr. Speaker, I am certainly not aware of any members who are having
any difficulty getting messages. I know our messages are coming through from our constituents. I would say
that if there are very detailed messages to be given, that perhaps they would be better given to our constituency
offices or to our departmental offices, so our secretaries could take down those messages or they could simply
leave a message that we return the phone call. But attempting, I believe, to leave a very detailed message with
the messengers at the House may, in fact, be creating a problem, if that is what it is. I can assure the member
that we are having no difficulty getting our messages from constituents. I would advise anyone if the messages
are to be detailed, perhaps leave them with our secretaries who would be able to give them to us.






MR. SPEAKER: The honourable member for Halifax Atlantic.



MR. ROBERT CHISHOLM: If I may on that point of privilege. I think it is important to note, and
I just want to clarify, Mr. Speaker, that the point that has been raised by my colleague, the member for Halifax
Fairview has been done because that matter has been brought to our attention. Whether in fact some members
have not been made aware of it, that is neither here nor there. The fact is that it was brought to our attention.
We were concerned about it and my colleague, the member for Halifax Fairview brought that point of
privilege to your attention for your consideration.



MR. SPEAKER: The Chair can assure all members of the House that the Chair has absolutely no
knowledge or any earlier information concerning this whole matter. The matter has now been brought to the
Chair’s attention. The Chair will look into the matter and assure that if there is any impediment on the
privileges of any member of this House, the Chair will ensure that they are removed.



With that, the motion for adjournment has been made and carried.



The House will now rise to sit again at the hour of 2:00 p.m. on Monday.



[The House rose at 4:04 p.m.]