The Nova Scotia Legislature

The House resumed on:
September 21, 2017.

Human Resources Committee - Committee Room 1 (1538)












Wednesday, March 11, 2015







Appointments to Agencies, Boards and Commissions




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Mr. Bill Horne (Chairman)

Ms. Joyce Treen

Mr. Ben Jessome

Ms. Margaret Miller

Mr. Iain Rankin

Mr. Eddie Orrell

Ms. Karla MacFarlane

Hon. Maureen MacDonald

Hon. Denise Peterson-Rafuse


[Ms. Karla MacFarlane was replaced by Hon. Christopher d’Entremont]



In Attendance:


Ms. Kim Langille

Legislative Committee Clerk


Mr. Gordon Hebb

Chief Legislative Counsel








11:00 A.M.



Mr. Bill Horne



MR. CHAIRMAN: This is the Standing Committee on Human Resources. I’m the Chairman, Bill Horne. I’d like to have everyone introduce themselves this morning.


[The committee members introduced themselves.]


MR. CHAIRMAN: Just to remind everybody to turn their cellphones off or have them on vibrate, and I think I’ll do the same. I believe washrooms are out to the left, to the right, and to the left.


This is a special meeting for the committee to recognize and nominate the people on the committee for the new health board. It was delayed before because we didn’t have all the names. We do have the names now and we would like to proceed with that. We can entertain a motion to approve those on the board.


Mr. d’Entremont.


HON. CHRISTOPHER D’ENTREMONT: I’m just wondering, since we’ve got only one list and we have only one board, how about we do them name by name?


MR. CHAIRMAN: I don’t have a problem with that, I guess - a little longer, that’s all.


MR. D’ENTREMONT: It takes a little longer, but we’ve got lots of time.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Do we? (Laughter)


Okay, Mr. Jessome, if you’d like to follow that procedure.


MR. BEN JESSOME: Mr. Chairman, I move that Steven Parker be appointed to the Provincial Health Authority as voting director and chair.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. d’Entremont.


MR. D’ENTREMONT: Thank you and what I want to try to underline here is the individuals; looking at them in totality, I would say they are decent individuals. I think there was also a motion at the last meeting to look at all the other applicants so that we could judge whether the government made the best choice or not, but I guess we’re just going to have to make a decision on the ones that are before us.


I do know Mr. Parker, I’ve met him on a number of occasions, especially when he was the chairman of Nova Scotia Resources. I’ve seen the work he has done, and as an individual I do like him.


I don’t like the fact that he gave $1,000 to the Nova Scotia Liberal Party, but there you go. I just want to know whether that’s the prerequisite for Mr. Parker or whether it’s the good guy - because he is a good guy - but $1,000 to the Liberal Party is here on this one. I don’t know who wants to answer that.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. MacDonald.


HON. MAUREEN MACDONALD: I, unlike my colleague to my left here today, don’t know Mr. Parker. I know of Mr. Parker and I’m sure he has many talents. I’ve looked at his resumé and he has an extensive resumé. I have very serious concerns about this particular appointment. I made my concerns known last time about this process and wanting to know who the applicants are.


I want to speak particularly to Mr. Parker’s record with respect to the privatization of public assets.


MR. CHAIRMAN: I’d like to interject; unfortunately this committee does not go through each one. These have been approved by the government, by the executive. We are approving them here as names that we are given to approve and I think you’re out of line in bringing up all these issues of why you don’t like the person. This is not the committee to be doing that in.


MS. MACDONALD: With all due respect, Mr. Chairman, if this isn’t the committee to do that in, then what is the committee? This is the role of this particular standing committee in the House of Assembly. As an elected member, I’m very clear that this is not only my duty, it’s my responsibility and my obligation to come here and raise any concerns with respect to appointments that are being recommended by Executive Council.


I’m shocked that the chairman of this standing committee thinks that this is not the place to vet these recommendations. If this is not the place then what are we doing here? We should just dissolve this committee.


MR. CHAIRMAN: That’s not how our democracy works, but I have been advised by legal that you have the opportunity to speak about the individuals.


MS. MACDONALD: Thank you. As I was saying, I have very serious concerns about this particular appointment. This is the chair of the new superboard that will be running our health care system from one end of our province to the other.


We are fortunate in this province to have a public health care system that conforms to the requirements of the Canada Health Act. This particular individual has quite an extensive record in the privatization of public resources. Nova Scotia Resources Limited, I believe, was the Crown Corporation that this individual was given the responsibility to sell; the Medavie Blue Cross board of directorship; the C.D. Howe Institute - this individual is a director on the C.D. Howe Institute. For members of the government caucus, the C.D. Howe Institute has a whole variety of publications right now advocating for the privatization of the public health care system in this country, and that’s who we’re going to put in charge of health care in Nova Scotia for the next - what are these appointments for - four years, a five-year term?


I am so strongly opposed to this particular appointment that I almost can’t speak and that doesn’t happen very often, Mr. Chairman.


MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a motion on the floor for Mr. Steven Parker to be appointed as voting director and chair.


Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.


The motion is carried.


Mr. Jessome.


MR. JESSOME: Mr. Chairman, it’s important for Opposition members to question the government and try to keep them accountable, and I respect that. But frankly, a number of these individuals that we’re looking at today are not simply members of our Nova Scotia community who have supported the Liberal Party alone. A number of these individuals have also supported other Parties. It appears that the reasoning behind the questions for appointing these members is simply because they’re donors to one Party or another, or both or all - if this is what we’re choosing to do by dissecting this list, I’d like to make a motion that we move forward: I move that we present this list of names as one and carry the approval out in one motion, so I move that we do that.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Orrell.


MR. EDDIE ORRELL: As I said last week, this has nothing to do with these individuals as people. My concern is that this is the first district health authority to represent the whole province, and different areas aren’t represented equally as every other area is. If there’s a decision that has to be made about equipment or staffing, about whatever is going to affect the health care of the people of the Province of Nova Scotia, my concern is, will that decision be made fairly and equally on the merit and the needs of this part of the province or is it going to be made on the merit and the needs of the Liberal Party? Seven out of the 12 people on this board are known Liberal donors. That’s not the unknown - that’s known.


We don’t have any other names on here - they say there are other people who donate to other Parties. One gentleman has donated to both Parties. That’s okay, he’s probably going to be fair and equal. But I don’t see any other names on this list that I know of who donated to any other Parties. So being individual on this, I think it’s fair that we go through this and find out exactly about each person so that we can make an informed decision on it - where they’re from, who they represent. That’s just my 2 cents.


MS. MACDONALD: Historically, this committee would actually look at individuals name by name. It gives members of the committee an opportunity to raise concerns about anyone who is an individual that you have a concern about. To do it all in a group means that there are people here who probably would have unanimous support that won’t get it simply because there are others that there are questions around. I think it would be much better to continue on just doing person by person.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. d’Entremont.


MR. D’ENTREMONT: The point here is - let’s put the politics aside too. If Mr. Jessome wants to put them aside and put them all in one group, why I disagree with him in this one is because this group is responsible for, I would say, probably $2 billion worth of provincial tax dollars of investment in health care - $2 billion - and we’re just going to say, rubber-stamp, yes, I guess that’s okay?


Let’s look specifically at each one of these individuals. Some of them will have the political overtone, some of them will have a regional overtone, and some of them will have a concern overtone. I think seeing the size of the budget that they will be managing, they should at least have the airing from this committee.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Jessome, do you still hold by your motion?


MR. JESSOME: I’m just going to say that, in doing this, I’m not undervaluing the magnitude of what they’re responsible for. I just feel that the back and forth that has proceeded even with the first individual has specifically pertained to political affiliations. So, Mr. Chairman, yes, I’d like to continue my motion and call for the question.


MR. CHAIRMAN: We have a motion on the floor. Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.


The motion is carried. (Interruption)


I’ve been advised that I should vote at the same time and I’m voting in favour of the motion.


Go ahead, Mr. Jessome.


MR. JESSOME: Mr. Chairman, I move that the following individuals be appointed to the Nova Scotia Health Authority Board as voting directors: David Dow, Wadih Fares, Victoria Harnish, Wayne MacDonald, Marie Collier, Jaime Smith, Anna-Marie Stuart, John Rogers, George Unsworth, Bob Winters, and John Young.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. d’Entremont.


MR. D’ENTREMONT: So since you’re not doing it, I’ll do it. Let’s start with David Stewart Dow in this one, an individual I kind of know - I know his wife, she’s a physician in southwest Nova Scotia. He was the vice-chair of the South West Nova District Health Authority.


I don’t know who else applied from South West, it would be interesting to know - well, I do know one. I do know the chair - or one of the previous chairs, Gerald Pothier, did apply for this as well so I’m wondering what the decision was one over the other, I’m not too sure. I would qualify him more of a Clare individual so he’s more to the Digby side of things, he’s not a Shelburne, Barrington, or Yarmouth individual. I just hope he keeps that in mind when he’s making decisions on our behalf because I guess he would be, in my estimation, the individual who is representing southwest Nova Scotia and the South Shore for the most part, even though I do see Vicki Harnish on here.


Vicki, I did get to work with her in government. She was a former Deputy Minister of Finance and of course the former VP of Corporate Services with South Shore. I worked with her less when she moved off of government.


I always enjoyed my time talking to Vicki and I thought she was a competent individual, yet in my mind she does represent more Halifax, I would say, than she does the South Shore on this one.


Mr. Fares, I guess he’s the guy that’s sort of the wash on this one because he did donate to two Parties on this one - sorry for the NDP, we didn’t see that one in there. He’s a very smart business person, a good individual. I’ve seen him do lots of good things for Halifax and for Nova Scotia.


Wayne MacDonald, I don’t know Wayne - from the Valley by the sound of it, a former individual there. Ms. Collier, again for a voting director, she’s the past-chair of the Public Health Association of Nova Scotia. I don’t know what her political affiliation is so it doesn’t really matter in this case. Jaime Smith - let’s have a look here to see what I’ve got on this one - a planning consultant with experience in community health planning. Where was Jaime from, I forget - the Pictou County area, New Glasgow, so that gives the coverage there.


Anna-Marie Stuart, managing partner at Knightsbridge Robertson Surrette, a finance director with the QEII Health Sciences Centre.


MR. IAIN RANKIN: On a point of order. I’m just wondering, is there a time limit on how much members can speak and is it relevant to know how much you personally know each member that’s being put forth? Does it matter if you’ve met them and if you know their wife, is that relevant?


MR. CHAIRMAN: Apparently there’s no limit.


MR. RANKIN: I’ll speak after he’s done.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. d’Entremont.


MR. D’ENTREMONT: I’m glad there’s somebody on the other side who is interested in talking about these because apparently they want to throw them all in one place and let a $2 billion board get done in one vote, without even chatting about some of these individuals, at least bringing them up. I mean this is what we know about them.


It would have been nice to know who the other people who applied for this board were, to at least look at whether these are the most qualified ones or not, but this is what we know about them.


I’m almost done, there’s only a few more to go. So what did I say, what was my last one here - Jaime from the Pictou County area; Anna-Marie Stuart, again Knightsbridge Robertson Surrette; John Rogers, a person that I did meet at one point, a CEO of Stewart McKelvey. He did do some time, I thought, at the IWK as well. He’s one of the $1,000 donators to the Liberal Party. George Unsworth - maybe I’ll let Eddie talk about him in a second, he’s more from his area.


Mr. Winters currently serves on the Dean’s Medical School Advisory Board at Dalhousie University. He’s a former chair of the Colchester Regional Hospital, the Northern Regional Health Board, and the Halifax International Airport - an individual who probably has a good idea of what health care is about. He made a large donation to the Liberal Party.


Then John Young: chair of the Capital Campaign at Brigadoon, Canadian Forces Liaison Council, and Canadian Maritime Heritage Foundation. He is a board member of the Cobequid Community Health Centre. He was another at least $1,000 donation to the Liberal Party.


Seeing though this, I can only base what we know from the resumés that were provided to us, is the research that we have done on these individuals. I wish we would have done them individually but I guess we have the opportunity to do this as well. Because of the way this has sort of been flying along, chances are that we will be voting no on all of these because we can’t base what we see before us compared to what, I would say, the other applicants are. They all seem like decent people, they seem like engaged people. I know a couple of them, I don’t know all of them. I would be more comfortable if I could see who everybody else was. I know Eddie can speak to Mr. Unsworth a little bit better.


I don’t see the regional representation here as much as I would have hoped to see the regional representation here. Again, I’m very concerned for Shelburne, Liverpool, that side of the province - there doesn’t seem to be any representation at all and it’s sort of spotty.


If this is the first go-round, I’m hoping there’s - are there other positions available or is this all of them? If this is all of them, they’re on here for three full years. Are some of them being applied to three years and other ones maybe for two years, so that at least there’s a flow of that?


This is a big board, this is a big decision on government, and I think you’re getting it wrong.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Orrell.


MR. ORRELL: I don’t know Mr. Unsworth personally - I know of Mr. Unsworth and to me he sounds like a very solid guy, has held some very good positions. He’s a chartered accountant. He has been on the board of governors at CBU, IWK Foundation, and the Cape Breton Regional Hospital Foundation.


My concern, Mr. Chairman, is that he has a territory that’s going to stretch from all of Cape Breton right up to New Glasgow, before Ms. Smith takes over and comes into that area. It’s the regional representation I worry about more than anything.


Mr. Unsworth - this is a volunteer position and he’s going to be in charge of a huge area. We just went through our own realignment in our own positions and he’s going to cover an area that’s bigger than what about 10 MLAs have to cover, and we get paid to do what we do.


I just hope that if there are more people to come following this board that there are a couple more regional people, especially the South Shore, Cape Breton-Antigonish-New Glasgow areas, because it’s very heavily boarded in Halifax and light on the outskirts. It’s almost like a helicopter, Mr. Chairman - there’s no wings on this one. That concerns me a pile.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. MacDonald.


MS. MACDONALD: Mr. Chairman, previously when we have had a few names appear here the last time we met about this, I expressed concerns about the lack of diversity in the group, the overrepresentation of people affiliated with the Liberal Party. The ratio of men to women has improved over the last time, but it still is 2 to 1.


The regional representation is concerning. This board has a much more metro-based bias, and we are really losing that kind of regional representation that the previous DHA structure certainly provided for, and that has to be of concern. Again, the chairman of this board has a very obvious bias toward the privatization of public services, including health care services. All of those things are really concerning to me.


Just one thing. I know Ms. Harnish as a previous Deputy Minister of Finance - a very capable Deputy Minister of Finance - and I was curious that her resumé doesn’t indicate that she was the VP of Finance for the South Shore District Health Authority for a period of time after she left the Ministry of Finance. I’ve looked at her resumé several times and I don’t see that on her resumé. It kind of raised a question for me. Have I missed that someplace?


MR. CHAIRMAN: It’s in her cover letter.


MS. MACDONALD: Oh, okay - because it certainly isn’t in the timeline that’s reflected in the resumé and it just struck me as a bit odd.


As my colleague has said, this isn’t about whether or not these individuals have qualifications and skills. They have qualifications and skills - we all acknowledge that, but this is a very important change in the operating of our health care system. I think that we have an obligation to ensure that we have a balanced board that is prepared to uphold the public interest in the operating of our health care system and not private interests, not partisan interests, and who are really capable of addressing the serious problems that we see in our health care system today.


All you have to do is look at the news of the past two weeks to tell you what’s going on in the health care system and how serious things are. We’ve had an unprecedented number of nurses leave the Capital District Health Authority - take retirement - putting that system into a crisis of care in terms of patient/care ratios in the critical care units. Beds are closed. Travelling nurses are coming into our province for the first time in 15 years to provide care - being paid at higher rates of pay than our own indigenous nurses, and having their accommodations paid for, their travel paid for, and their licences at the college paid for.


We have hospital beds occupied by people who have nowhere to go. The wait times for long-term care are the longest they’ve ever been. The home care wait-list has grown by 80 per cent. This government has not added one primary care practice into the system in the almost two years they’ve been in government. Collaborative Emergency Centres have come to a complete and absolute halt; no new capacity has been added there.


The task that these folks will have has been compounded. It’s a big job at the best of times, but it has been compounded by the kind of neglect and incompetence that we’ve seen with respect to the management and the operating of our health care system. So we really need to have a group of people who are not only skilled in terms of finances, but for whom patients and quality patient care and strong advocacy around how you do that is the primary concern - the public interest. The public interest has to be primary here, not some agenda to rearrange governance.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Rankin.


MR. RANKIN: I guess that’s some insightful pontificating on the state of affairs in the health care system, but I do believe that our role is to approve the list given to us or not approve the list. I would suggest you’ve given ample opportunity to both Parties opposite to state their views, and it’s time for the question. I’ll just say that because someone supports a Party or votes for a Party, it’s going to be a sad day in Nova Scotia if that precludes them from volunteering for a board. I put it to a question. (Interruptions)


I just called for the question. They’ve had their views. They’re just going to say the same thing over again.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Orrell.


MR. ORRELL: I want to be quite clear about this. This has nothing to do with any individual who is on this list - nothing to do with the individuals themselves. These all sound like good people. We’re worrying about the Province of Nova Scotia’s health care system right now. Some people have gone into private enterprise where they’ve privatized other business. We don’t want to see stuff like that happen to our health care system. Some people have huge territories to represent. There’s not equal representation of the province.


I don’t know half of these people on this list. Looking at their resumés, they look like they’re very capable people. That has nothing to do with this. It’s not a personal attack on anyone on this list. I just want to be quite clear that we’re worried about the state of health care in the Province of Nova Scotia to make sure this is the board that gets it right. It’s their first board, it’s the board that’s going to have to deal with the most controversy. It’s the board that’s going to have to deal with the biggest change in the health care system in our history, at least in the history of my affiliation with health care in Nova Scotia, and I want to make sure we get it right.


Our ask was to see who the other individuals were, where they came from, so that we could look at equal representation and what their qualifications were so that we know that. It has nothing to do with these individuals themselves and, like I say, I’m sure most of these people are good people. I haven’t had the opportunity to meet them - I hope I do someday, but what we’re hearing from the other side is that we’re making this personal. We’re not making this personal. We want to make sure that we get this right so the state of health care in the Province of Nova Scotia doesn’t change - it will improve. Hopefully we’ll see the savings that they say we’re going to save, but as of right now it’s costing us a fortune.


I know of six lab assistants at the Infirmary who have retired because this is going to happen and they’re fearful of what the state of health care is going to be. We want to make sure that the individuals on this board, who are going to carry a huge amount of responsibility, get this right. It’s got nothing to do with any one person individually. I just want to be on the record to say that. I don’t think it’s got anything to do with these people. Their qualifications look good. I wonder what the other qualifications were.


If there was only one person who applied from Cape Breton and it was Mr. Unsworth, by all means, but if it was two people and then we could take one from Halifax and have two people spread out in the Cape Breton area, I’d be all for that. I just want to go on record to say that and make sure it’s quite clear here in this committee that it’s not about the individual person.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Before Mr. Rankin spoke, we had another speaker who wanted to speak so I’d like to ask Mr. Jessome and then Mr. d’Entremont.


MR. JESSOME: I just wanted to bring up one point in particular. I appreciate the member opposite saying that the individuals that are before us today are quite qualified to do the job. I just wanted to remind everybody that although we’re discussing the overall health authority board today, there are four regional representative boards that through the structure of Bill No. 1 are required to demonstrate their regional representation through business plans that feed into this larger board for the province as a whole. Frankly, the structure that has been outlined in that bill would require demonstrated representation from across the province.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. d’Entremont.


MR. D’ENTREMONT: This is probably the biggest decision, the biggest board that this committee will or has appointed since it has been created. I mean, really, when have we appointed a board as large as this one, representing the whole province, and is going to be spending this kind of money? It’s going to be responsible for the health care of our citizens - the citizens here in Halifax, the ones in Cape Breton, the ones in southwestern Nova Scotia.


Again, we need to make sure this is done right. Why were these ones chosen over other ones? We’ve had this debate in this committee, I would say probably 100 times - different governments as well. You always hope that things might change, that we can at least have an idea of what this is, beyond the rubber-stamping of the whole thing.


That’s the joke of this committee, the fact that it is a rubber-stamp committee and if we try to move outside of the rubber-stamping idea, then we seem to get into a little bit of trouble from the governing Party - let’s just rubber-stamp this, Cabinet told us to rubber- stamp it - stamp, stamp, stamp. It’s not what we should be doing, we should be having the sober second thought of what is actually going on.


Amalgamation is a humongous undertaking by any government. They’ve got some tremendous challenges that they are going to have to deal with, beyond what has already been a mess in the news and what has been going on with the unions and what’s going on with the labour negotiations. I mean that stuff has gone really badly and these guys and girls are going to have to try to pick up that baton and try to make some sense of it. I don’t know whether these individuals are capable of doing that or not, it’s really hard to tell from their resumés.


I respect what Mr. Jessome brought forward, that there is a secondary set of boards that will be set up, but I need to know that my area is represented. I represent Argyle-Barrington and I can tell you that there’s nobody there from Argyle-Barrington, there’s nobody there from Yarmouth, there’s nobody there from Queens-Shelburne - that whole southwest quadrant of Nova Scotia does not have a representative on this board. We have Mr. Dow and I think there was one from the Valley - I forget which one that was - Wayne.


I want to know who else applied and maybe why they made it or not. There are other issues that Ms. MacDonald talked about within the health care system that are going to be big issues that this board is going to have to deal with. The nursing issue is a tremendous one - 250, almost 300 possible retirements this year across the province. How are we dealing with that, except bringing some in from Ontario? How are we going to be able to address the nursing shortage? That’s a bigger issue, that one should be dealt with by the minister but how are they going to be able to feed it?


The ER in the Halifax Infirmary has been backed up and shut down almost on a regular basis lately. Why? Well from Dr. Vaughan we’re hearing it’s because of influenza, that they’ve got the strain wrong so people are presenting at the ER but we all know that it’s a bigger issue than that across the whole system, that there are far too many people who don’t have a place to call home, who don’t have a place to go after they’ve been admitted to hospital. How is this board, in the representation that we see before us, going to be able to address it?


Over $2 billion, I mean it is our right as legislators, as members of this House of Assembly, to be able to look at these names and be able to decide whether they’re the right person or not. I can tell you from what I see before me, I’m really not sure, I really don’t know.


I’m not going to take the word of the department, nor am I going to take the word of the minister that these are the best applicants. If the Premier says this is all great, well I don’t believe him either. Thank you.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. MacDonald.


MS. MACDONALD: I’m not going to belabour the point by taking a whole lot more time. I do want to say that with an aging population in the province, which I think is something we can all agree, I think it’s very disappointing that we don’t have, represented in this particular group, voices who really understand the demographics and the needs of seniors in our province, particularly the relationship of seniors to the provision of health care in the province. I think it is a serious oversight in the appointment of this board.


It would have been very nice to see who the other applicants were and whether or not there were people from the academic world or from front-line health care, from the advocacy groups that work so hard on behalf of seniors, reflected in the appointments to this particular body - I think it’s a serious oversight.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Ms. Treen.


MS. JOYCE TREEN: I just want to make a comment. We are putting this board together and we’ve gone through the skills and the abilities of the people on the list and we have tried to put together the best board we can. That’s what anybody does when they form a board or form a committee or they have a business - we put together the best thing we can and we hope that it’s going to work out and it will do the job that we need it to do.


I do want to make it aware that three of these positions are for three years, six are for two years, and three are for one year, so there will be a constant ability to change out if we have somebody in there that is not doing the job that we need them to do. There is that ability to be able to go back in and review and bring other names forward in the future, if we feel that those individuals are not doing the job we need them to do. We need to be open-minded to that.


This is not a closed system for three years. It is open. It is a constant thing, so changes can take place if they need to take place. We need to stop saying this is for three years and these people are in for three years. You know what? We’ve put in place things for things to change and move if it needs to move, and we need to keep that in mind when we’re thinking about this board.


MR. CHAIRMAN: Not hearing any other discussion, we’ll call the question on the motion.


Would all those in favour of the motion please say Aye. Contrary minded, Nay.


The motion is carried.


That is our agenda for the day. Thank you all for coming. I must say, your discussion has somewhat been valued to the committee and I thank you for all comments.


The meeting is adjourned.


[The committee adjourned at 11:42 a.m.]